Eric and Beth announced they're engaged at dinner today. Which got me thinking about the phrase "ring by spring". Sometimes, "ring by spring or your money back". People don't say it often at swat, though I've heard it some. The idea being that girls should be engaged by the end of the year. Which year, though? I think this varies interestingly. At swat it seems to be senior year. There was a phoenix column a year or two ago where a senior was pretty clearly using it like that. And laurie has used it that way. At messiah, however, it allegedly is sophomore year. And a current BYU student says there it's freshman year. More research is called for.