|October 18th, 2019|
|logging, tech [html]|
@yahoogroups.comhosting, to Facebook,
@googlegroups, and other places, the bit that hit me was that they are deleting all the mailing list archives.
Digital archives of text conversations are close to ideal from the perspective of a historian: unlike in-person or audio-based interaction this naturally leaves a skimmable and easily searchable record. If I want to know, say, what people were thinking about in the early days of GiveWell, their early blog posts (including comments) are a great source. Their early mailing list archives, however, are about to be deleted.
Luckily we still have two months to export the data before it's wiped, and people have written tools to do automate this. Here's how to download a backup of all the conversations in a group:
# Download the archiver $ git clone https://github.com/andrewferguson/YahooGroups-Archiver.git $ cd YahooGroups-Archiver/ # Start archiving the group. $ python archive_group.py [group-name]
If things are going well it will start spitting out messages like:
Archiving message 1 of 8098 Archiving message 2 of 8098 Archiving message 3 of 8098
And it will be creating files:
$ ls [group-name]/ 1.json 2.json 3.json ...
If you get a message like:
Archiving message 5221 of 8098 Archiving message 5222 of 8098 Archiving message 5223 of 8098 Cannot get message 5223, attempt 1 of 3 due to HTTP status code 500 Cannot get message 5223, attempt 2 of 3 due to HTTP status code 500 Cannot get message 5223, attempt 3 of 3 due to HTTP status code 500 Archive halted - it appears Yahoo has blocked you. Check if you can access the group's homepage from your browser. If you can't, you have been blocked. Don't worry, in a few hours (normally less than 3) you'll be unblocked and you can run this script again - it'll continue where you left off.It may mean that you have been blocked, but it may also just mean that for some reason an individual message can't be downloaded. In that case, to tell it to give up on that message and just continue on, create the json file with the stuck message number:
$ touch [group-name]/5223.jsonYou might also get a message like:
Traceback (most recent call last): File "archive_group.py", line 150, inThis is what I see if I try to archive a private group. It's still possible to use the tool to archive a private group that you have access to, but it's a bit involved. First you visit Yahoo Groups in your web browser with Devtools open to the Networking tab. Then you look at what cookies are set on the HTML request, and find the
archive_group(sys.argv) File "archive_group.py", line 71, in archive_group max = group_messages_max(groupName) File "archive_group.py", line 94, in group_messages_max raise valueError File "archive_group.py", line 87, in group_messages_max pageJson = json.loads(pageHTML) ... raise JSONDecodeError("Expecting value", s, err.value) from None json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0)
Tcookie should start with
Ycookie should start with
v=. Paste these into the
cookie_Yvariable definitions at the beginning of
Once you've downloaded all the messages in a group you can run:
$ pip2 install natsort $ python2 make_Yearly_Text_Archive_html.py [group-name]Which will create a bunch of files like
[group-name]-archive/archive-YYYY.html. They're not that easy to read, because it doesn't do any kind of quote folding, but we can always do that later. If you made any empty files to get around messages that wouldn't archive (see the
touchcommand above) you'll get an error at this stage; just delete the empty files and re-run.
I've archived five groups: givewell, Boston-Contra, BostonAreaContraCommunity, contrasf, and trad-dance-callers. The first two are public groups with public archives, so I've made archives available at /givewell-archive and /Boston-Contra-archive. The remaining three are private, but if you want to look at them and you were a participant or otherwise have a good reason let me know.