{"items": [{"author": "Noah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631169643852", "anchor": "fb-631169643852", "service": "fb", "text": "This is really cool and pretty freaking hilarious.  Mind if I share?", "timestamp": "1381518095"}, {"author": "Arthur", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631170547042", "anchor": "fb-631170547042", "service": "fb", "text": "This seems obvious to me, and something that people could understand from basic everyday experience -- I don't particularly like certain genres of music, but I have the basic ability to listen to said genres and understand how they are \"supposed\" to sound, and then from that predict whether someone who really likes how that genre is \"supposed\" to sound will like or dislike a song depending on how much it sounds like that.<br><br>All of this is possible through learning, without me personally ever actually liking the music myself, and certainly without the \"rules\" of that genre being any kind of genetically programmed destiny.", "timestamp": "1381518653"}, {"author": "George", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631193126792", "anchor": "fb-631193126792", "service": "fb", "text": "There are lots of really really bad studies of this sort that \"prove\" all sorts of things are innate.", "timestamp": "1381528298"}, {"author": "Marek", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631226285342", "anchor": "fb-631226285342", "service": "fb", "text": "Finding things innate is part of the human condition.", "timestamp": "1381532368"}, {"author": "David&nbsp;Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631227143622", "anchor": "fb-631227143622", "service": "fb", "text": "It'd be fun to make a neural network that behaves like the chickens did. I guess then we'd be proving that attractiveness is not only innate in Earth's biological species, but inherent in the nature of mathematics.", "timestamp": "1381532999"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631269503732", "anchor": "fb-631269503732", "service": "fb", "text": "@Noah: feel free to share any links I post", "timestamp": "1381579528"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631269558622", "anchor": "fb-631269558622", "service": "fb", "text": "@David: or alternatively you've be proving that chickens could be simulated with a very simple network.", "timestamp": "1381579559"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/631168391362?comment_id=631269823092", "anchor": "fb-631269823092", "service": "fb", "text": "@Arthur: there's probably some combination of innate and socialized preference in music, but I agree talk of genetic destiny would be too far.  But lets say we ran a good experiment and found some aspects of preferences in music or attractiveness that did seem to be mostly innate. (Ex: via ethnomusicologists music in nearly every culture has X, and newborns are happier with X than human music without X) This would suggest that people who are trying to shift the social conception of attractiveness or of good music on this particular aspect are likely to have more difficulty. (Making music in 15/16? There are places where that's standard.  Twelve-tone?  Probably not.)", "timestamp": "1381580181"}, {"author": "Patrik", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/111572293873557131782", "anchor": "gp-1412665240162", "service": "gp", "text": "The whole point of the original paper is that \"chickens have been taught prefer A to B, which as a side effect teaches them to prefer a linear extrapolation of A away from B.\" and that this holds \"for most As and Bs, and there\u2019s nothing special about male or female faces.\" I would suggest a reading of the original paper - it is great!", "timestamp": 1412665240}]}