{"items": [{"author": "Chris", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/117346402173047680184", "anchor": "gp-1345051882071", "service": "gp", "text": "What it meant to me was being paid by someone else to figure out how to spend their money philanthropically.", "timestamp": 1345051882}, {"author": "Chris", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/117346402173047680184", "anchor": "gp-1345053172790", "service": "gp", "text": "For a bit I thought the problem was word order, but I think the real problem is that people just don't think of it as an option.\u00a0 Philanthropic work sounds like the work you're doing is the philanthropy, not to fund the philanthropy.\u00a0 Professional philanthropy sounds like your job is to spend other people's money.\u00a0 I haven't thought of a good term so far.", "timestamp": 1345053172}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/391782244208254?comment_id=391805150872630", "anchor": "fb-391805150872630", "service": "fb", "text": "yeah, first thing I think of is bill gates, who spends most of his time figuring out how to give lots of money and what to spend it on. 'get more to give more' is the shortest i've been able to come up with to equate with what you are trying to describe.", "timestamp": "1345056228"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/391782244208254?comment_id=391821760870969", "anchor": "fb-391821760870969", "service": "fb", "text": "@Danner: Bill Gates now, not Bill Gates overall, right?", "timestamp": "1345060670"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/391782244208254?comment_id=391824014204077", "anchor": "fb-391824014204077", "service": "fb", "text": "Yes, bill gates now. Question: could bill have donated as much as he has if he started giving sooner? Related: how many people using this strategy at slightly above average success would it take to match gates? (And how does that relate to how rare a person gates is)", "timestamp": "1345061336"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/391782244208254?comment_id=391894560863689", "anchor": "fb-391894560863689", "service": "fb", "text": "@Danner: I think Gates passed the point where his money was helping him make more money pretty early. Microsoft started doing well enough that he wasn't putting money in.
Gates has about $61 billion, though that's after giving away a lot. The average return to startup founders is about $2M/year (though the median is $0) so if you work for a normal career length you're at about 1/1000th of Gates's wealth.", "timestamp": "1345082080"}, {"author": "Josh", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/118273920476267337216", "anchor": "gp-1345082120062", "service": "gp", "text": "I agree, I thought it meant \"your full time job is philanthropy, i.e. the giving away of money\".\n
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\nOr, possibly, that you have a full-time job and give away 100% of the money you earn from it (presumably paying your bills from savings/investments, or a partner's income, or some such).", "timestamp": 1345082120}, {"author": "basicincomegrant", "source_link": "http://www.reddit.com/r/smartgiving/comments/y9qr3#c5u7wof", "anchor": "r-c5u7wof", "service": "r", "text": "Professional philanthropy is misleading for sure. I initially had problems understanding the concept of 80,000 hours solely because of interpreting that term the wrong way. I agree with Chris Lahey when he says "Professional philanthropy sounds like your job is to spend other people's money". If you interpret it along the lines of terms like professional sports or professional photographer you would definitely expect it to mean spending your work day doing good (in contrast to people who do that in their spare time) which unfortunately is the exact opposite of the intended meaning.\n\n
I did a little research but can't come up with a good alternative yet. I was thinking of something along the way of optimal philanthropy or efficient philanthropy, but those terms are mainly used to denote the optimization on the charity side, so using them would be ambiguous as well.\n\n
The next term that came to my mind was impact-driven philanthropy which is quite fitting, yet it would also subsume the traditional retirement philanthropy of people like Buffett. Then I thought about what actually makes the difference to that concept. Both focus on a profitable career and don't necessarily do good at work. So what's different?\n\n
The only difference I can see is the stage of life one uses for spending one's money. Which brought me to the next idea: working-life philanthropy in contrast to youth philanthropy which is an actual concept and retirement philanthropy which I just made up I think. Unfortunately working-life might have the same connotation as professional, so I'm not sure whether something is gained here. \n\n
In conclusion, a term like maximum-impact-driven indirect working-life philanthropy might cover all aspects and separate the 80,000 hours concept from all other forms of doing good. Maybe someone can take this monster as an inspiration and come up with an actually useful term.\n", "timestamp": 1345147268}, {"author": "cbr", "source_link": "http://www.reddit.com/r/smartgiving/comments/y9qr3#c5z6o95", "anchor": "r-c5z6o95", "service": "r", "text": "→ What would you think of "earning to donate" or "earning to give"? After a few discussions with people I think these were the best to emerge.\n", "timestamp": 1346024970}]}