{"items": [{"author": "Paul", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150013375087578", "anchor": "fb-150013375087578", "service": "fb", "text": "And if it doesn't work do you get your money back?", "timestamp": "1314801112"}, {"author": "George", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150019208420328", "anchor": "fb-150019208420328", "service": "fb", "text": "No, don't sign up. It is a waste. I doubt you have more than a 1 in 10^6 chance of being revived and a much smaller chance of being revived in a way that gives you a quality of life worth having. These organizations prey on the delusions of people who think this stuff will happen, you shouldn't support them.", "timestamp": "1314802156"}, {"author": "George", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150020311753551", "anchor": "fb-150020311753551", "service": "fb", "text": "You should never spend substantial effort on things that have a smaller chance of success than the probability of a large asteroid hitting the earth in your lifetime, I don't think it is useful to do expected value computations in that regime even if the payoff of the rare event SEEMS super large.", "timestamp": "1314802291"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150020421753540", "anchor": "fb-150020421753540", "service": "fb", "text": "@George: where do you get 10^6?", "timestamp": "1314802307"}, {"author": "George", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150020605086855", "anchor": "fb-150020605086855", "service": "fb", "text": "That is my best estimate, although it is uncertain, it reflects my current beliefs.", "timestamp": "1314802337"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150020905086825", "anchor": "fb-150020905086825", "service": "fb", "text": "@George: so it's entirely opaque to me?", "timestamp": "1314802377"}, {"author": "John", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/107538053067746902173", "anchor": "gp-1314815184489", "service": "gp", "text": "Cryonics/Cryogenics was the subject of the latest \"Stuff You Should Know\" podcast.", "timestamp": 1314815184}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1314815711204", "service": "gp", "text": "@John\n what did they think of it?", "timestamp": 1314815711}, {"author": "John", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/107538053067746902173", "anchor": "gp-1314821084403", "service": "gp", "text": "I was not listening closely enough to remember any conclusions. They give a good history and overview of the current state of the technology.", "timestamp": 1314821084}, {"author": "Al", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150159441739638", "anchor": "fb-150159441739638", "service": "fb", "text": "If you get frozen, then the cells are damaged. final
If you get \"suspended\" (assume the technology exists) after you die, it is too late; you are dead form the disease. final
If you get \"suspended\" (same willing suspense of disbelief) BEFORE you die, then maybe, just maybe you could get revived and cured.", "timestamp": "1314823336"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150187688403480", "anchor": "fb-150187688403480", "service": "fb", "text": "@Al: I don't think it's that bad. If someone dies from, say, heart disease, the information in their brain doesn't decay instantly. There is some evidence that all of the brain's information is stored in the static configuration of what neurons are connected to what other ones and how. Storing the brain until we have the technology to read that information out of it should allow people to live as software on powerful computers. A carefully frozen brain may retain this information.", "timestamp": "1314827291"}, {"author": "Al", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/150004255088490?comment_id=150196818402567", "anchor": "fb-150196818402567", "service": "fb", "text": "I was thinking more along the lines of whole body storage.", "timestamp": "1314828610"}, {"author": "EmilyKate", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/104890942592036978223", "anchor": "gp-1314835162404", "service": "gp", "text": "A lot of money and resources are required to keep things frozen at -80C...I bet if crises strikes, those plugs will be one of the first things to be pulled. Why not consider a space sarcophagus? ;)", "timestamp": 1314835162}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1314836309893", "service": "gp", "text": "@EmilyKate\n I agree that a cryobank wouldn't make it through a real crisis. Figuring out how likely that is is part of figuring out how likely you are to make it through intact to a future where people would be able to reanimate you.\n
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\nSomething in space would be vastly more expensive, and recovery would be harder.", "timestamp": 1314836309}, {"author": "Terry", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/110796240920571504300", "anchor": "gp-1314888169506", "service": "gp", "text": "Maybe ask to be buried near the South Pole?", "timestamp": 1314888169}, {"author": "Jim", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/112932743371759723915", "anchor": "gp-1314889934296", "service": "gp", "text": "Do you want to go through your whole afterlife wondering whether there were major reconstruction errors during your reanimation, or if you really always had these mental qualities?", "timestamp": 1314889934}, {"author": "Frederic", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/118156077148469167305", "anchor": "gp-1314892807381", "service": "gp", "text": "They're looking to build a giant cryonics vault about an hour away from me. If it does get built I'll definitely give a trip report.", "timestamp": 1314892807}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1314895793466", "service": "gp", "text": "@Jim\n I think that's much less of a worry than most of the other things that go wrong. In developing a process like this, before you started reanimating all the people that had frozen themselves in the past, you would run some detailed tests. Something like: get a volunteer about to die, run a lot of mental tests, freeze them, reanimate them, run the tests, see what changed.", "timestamp": 1314895793}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114588710186521489410", "anchor": "gp-1314968581344", "service": "gp", "text": "Jim - Most people now don't spend their lives wondering what they would be like if they'd gotten different nutrition as children, or had slightly different genes. Even if we did, I don't think we'd consider death better than being alive and wondering.", "timestamp": 1314968581}, {"author": "Jim", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/112932743371759723915", "anchor": "gp-1314972777801", "service": "gp", "text": "Julia - True, and a perfectly cromulent point (although freeze-and-thaw is a far more acute incident than nutrition, and would presumably be taking place after a long time period of well-established personality) -- I was being tongue in cheek but neglected the smiley.", "timestamp": 1314972777}]}