{"items": [{"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/639421237592?comment_id=639421367332", "anchor": "fb-639421367332", "service": "fb", "text": "Jonas Vollmer", "timestamp": "1385850950"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/639421237592?comment_id=639424007042", "anchor": "fb-639424007042", "service": "fb", "text": "Re [1]: Yes. This breaks my brain, especially when they combine them as in this bag (Sun Chips?) I saw in the store: https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/.../575403...", "timestamp": "1385852469"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/639421237592?comment_id=639424346362", "anchor": "fb-639424346362", "service": "fb", "text": "A perhaps-related thought: the notion that protein = protein is, inherently, an argument that buys into nutritional essentialism.
I'm not going to argue for or against it other than to say that a lot of things I've read (most recently, Michael Pollan's In Defense of Food) suggest that it may be more complicated than a gram-for-gram comparison of protein content. If you're just looking at the production cost, this factor drops out, but if you're looking at effect on nutrition, it comes back.
Not making any particular point with this other than saying it's a factor.", "timestamp": "1385852645"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/639421237592?comment_id=639431347332", "anchor": "fb-639431347332", "service": "fb", "text": "@Hollis: \"it may be more complicated than a gram-for-gram comparison of protein content\"
Yes. If you're getting all your protein from seitan there's little enough lysine that it's as if you're only eating 43% as much as you thought you were. It's not \"complete\". Beef, on the other hand, is much closer to a complete protein (94%). So if you wanted you could change this \"~2 pounds of wheat per pound of veggie meat\" to \"~4 pounds of wheat per pound of veggie meat\". Except no one really gets all their protein from seitan and other food have excess lysine.", "timestamp": "1385855705"}, {"author": "James", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/106345404829653994850", "anchor": "gp-1385855993769", "service": "gp", "text": "Just a reminder, \"protein\" is not a true name: the relevant things are amino acids and their proportions, and any secondary effects if their arrangement. It is possible to get amino acids in the right proportions on a vegetarian diet, but it doesn't happen by default like it would when eating mammal. And while\u00a0I'm not normally one to worry about gluten, or to suggest that people without a known allergy should worry about it, seitan does seem like fishing for trouble.", "timestamp": 1385855993}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1385856448655", "service": "gp", "text": "@James\n\u00a0If you got all your protein from seitan you'd need to eat ~2.2x as much as if you got it all from beef, on a per-gram-of-protein basis. \u00a0Seitan has only 42% as much lysine as you need, though enough of everything else. \u00a0But lots of other foods have lysine and people aren't going to just eat seitan.", "timestamp": 1385856448}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/106120852580068301475", "anchor": "gp-1385859720299", "service": "gp", "text": "<looks up sources of Lysine> Good, soy!", "timestamp": 1385859720}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/639421237592?comment_id=639455409112", "anchor": "fb-639455409112", "service": "fb", "text": "Yes, although that's still a nutritionist/essentialism argument because it's still talking about individual compounds rather than the effect of eating a particular food.
Not saying that's wrong; just saying it's part of the argument.", "timestamp": "1385868454"}]}