{"items": [{"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250792184991186", "anchor": "fb-250792184991186", "service": "fb", "text": "@Walker: \"unless the appropriate warning and assent is recorded, it's illegal\"

In Massachusetts, probably but maybe not. In most states it's legal. I talk about this in the last three paragraphs, but if the device is being used \"openly and in plain view\" that may be enough for MA law.

\"Or record everything, and when no one is conversing with you, edit\"

Or, instead of editing, you use indexing and search later. I was talking about recoding *everything*, to avoid the problem that knowing in advance what you're likely to want later is really hard.", "timestamp": "1325527504"}, {"author": "Mac", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250795671657504", "anchor": "fb-250795671657504", "service": "fb", "text": "First of all, unless the appropriate warning and assent is recorded, it's illegal. \"...for training and quality purposes.\" Second, it strikes me as game playing instead of living life, framing and hanging a photo instead of embracing a human. These things, of course, have their place. But recordings are a waste of time unless one listens to them. Life would then devolve into some form of parallel reality or repetition.

Maybe you weren't going to recorded EVERYTHING. In which case, you've got to become prescient about WHICH conversations are going to get really good, and press the record button at the appropriate starting point.

Or record everything, and when no one is conversing with you, edit. Lewis and Clark pop into mind. They could traverse the territory they did, recording at the level of detail they did. Or they could have spent a lifetime doing a highly detailed map of a single \"county\".

We were created with the ability to log audio, with built in editing capabilities. We remember the important stuff. One proposed theory of dreams is that the brain is shaking out the unimportant and ingraining the important.

Or maybe I'm taking your suggestion WAY too seriously! :) :)", "timestamp": "1325527862"}, {"author": "Mac", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250796574990747", "anchor": "fb-250796574990747", "service": "fb", "text": "You catch copy very quickly. I deleted and reposted for edits that pop into one's mind as the enter key is reaching the bottom of its stroke. :)", "timestamp": "1325527976"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250798781657193", "anchor": "fb-250798781657193", "service": "fb", "text": "@Walker: done right, logging is nearly effortless. Consider browser history: every page you load is logged and indexed, and you don't have to do anything. When you type into the address bar, it very quickly searches that index and you can see results from your history to let you jump back to pages you've been to before. I can do this with online conversations, searching back to see what someone said on a topic if I don't remember, but I can't do it with offline ones. Yet.

(You're not taking this too seriously: this is something I'm considering making.)", "timestamp": "1325528228"}, {"author": "Mac", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250801011656970", "anchor": "fb-250801011656970", "service": "fb", "text": "Such a capability would be (still) counter cultural, and would generate upsettness. Nixon did this in a limited region. And many police vehicles have dash cams WITHOUT sound. Airline pilots objected to cockpit voice recorders as an invasion of privacy, although it is now done.", "timestamp": "1325528471"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250808198322918", "anchor": "fb-250808198322918", "service": "fb", "text": "@Walker: airline pilots objected, but now a proposal to eliminate them would be seen as reckless.", "timestamp": "1325529242"}, {"author": "Phillip", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250817031655368", "anchor": "fb-250817031655368", "service": "fb", "text": "Airline example special case, no relevance. This seems like an idea with un intended consequences of frightening proportions and with Orwellian potential. The idea of \"put it in writing\" is our cultural view of making the ethereal permanent. I see many virtues of the idea,but they are swamped by the long term privacy implications.", "timestamp": "1325530278"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250820194988385", "anchor": "fb-250820194988385", "service": "fb", "text": "@Phillip: could you be more specific on what frightening consequences you see?", "timestamp": "1325530683"}, {"author": "Paul", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114331051162737492448", "anchor": "gp-1325530964984", "service": "gp", "text": "I'm curious what you think of a logical extension of your idea. Artist Wafaa Bilal has implanted a video camera in his head. The first link is a summary story, and the second is his website explaining the project.\n
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\nhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/wafaa-bilal-nyu-artist-ge_n_787446.html\n
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\nhttp://3rdi.me/", "timestamp": 1325530964}, {"author": "Phillip", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250825334987871", "anchor": "fb-250825334987871", "service": "fb", "text": "This is a gut feel reaction. That said, my casual conversations are recorded. I have to store them some place. Pretty soon that is going to be the cloud. The government uses software to look at my conversations . . . If this were the the 10th century substitute church for government. Not to mention court orders et cet.", "timestamp": "1325531277"}, {"author": "Molly", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250827464987658", "anchor": "fb-250827464987658", "service": "fb", "text": "Do you think people would self-edit what they say more if they knew they were being recorded? Perhaps the quality of conversations would decrease if people were focused on the LATER as opposed to the NOW. I don't know.", "timestamp": "1325531528"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250833358320402", "anchor": "fb-250833358320402", "service": "fb", "text": "@Molly: How much do you think people self-edit when posting on facebook? Dancing at concord? Sending emails to/from gmail addresses? My guess is that people stop thinking about it pretty quickly.", "timestamp": "1325532184"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250837214986683", "anchor": "fb-250837214986683", "service": "fb", "text": "@Phillip: I agree the cloud is likely; that's what I was proposing in the post (\"uploading to some server\"). I think whether it's a problem that the government can get access depends on the government: I think the benefit from this sort of thing is likely to outweigh the cost in this country, but not in a more authoritarian place.", "timestamp": "1325532607"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1325532976219", "service": "gp", "text": "I don't know how useful images from the back of the head at one minute intervals would be. Also, implantation is dangerous and means you can't easily recharge (induction pillows?).\n
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\nThe general idea of logging video makes sense to me, but I think we're a few years from having the storage capacity for it.", "timestamp": 1325532976}, {"author": "Gianna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250842348319503", "anchor": "fb-250842348319503", "service": "fb", "text": "Interesting. Something like this could function like a DVR: essentially recording in the background, and when you identify something you want to keep, you can retrieve it. Otherwise, the work of filtering and finding something could get overwhelming. On the other hand, apparently there's some evidence that obsessively documenting everything so that it can never be forgotten isn't how our brains are supposed to process things. I'm trying to find the article I read that talks about this...", "timestamp": "1325533036"}, {"author": "Molly", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250846538319084", "anchor": "fb-250846538319084", "service": "fb", "text": "I suppose it's true that if we can adapt to an online social world where everything is recorded, then we could adapt to the physical world being recorded...Something about it just strikes me the wrong way, though. Not sure why. I guess I'm just old-fashioned :P", "timestamp": "1325533489"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/250777651659306?comment_id=250851114985293", "anchor": "fb-250851114985293", "service": "fb", "text": "The folks that I know of who have blazed the trail in this area are Gordon Bell and Deb Roy.

http://www.businessweek.com/.../09_37/b4146051036364.htm

http://www.ted.com/talks/deb_roy_the_birth_of_a_word.html", "timestamp": "1325533984"}, {"author": "James", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/106345404829653994850", "anchor": "gp-1325536161862", "service": "gp", "text": "If you do end up implementing this - please, make it so that people retain custody of their own data. Any big, centralized collection of peoples' lifelogged audio is a disaster waiting to happen. Imagine the News Corp. voicemail hacking scandal, repeated with lifelogs. Or worse, fully-automated bulk blackmail. I am also deeply uncomfortable with governments having that sort of data, and they'd surely end up with a copy. If an internet server is truly required, then people should either install the software on their own VPS, so that it's spread around and hard to collect in bulk, or encrypted with search and other functions done client-side.", "timestamp": 1325536161}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1325538296197", "service": "gp", "text": "@James\n Thinking about how to do this with individual users retaining custody of their data. I think you'd want to run as a native app with the storage and indexing on their machine. You could do encrypted backups to the cloud or not. You have all the headaches of native apps, including developing for windows and dealing with updating. It's also somewhat cheaper for ongoing costs because you don't need to deal with the bandwidth or the storage.\n
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\nTo deal with users who can't afford to spare 53GB per year of use you could do something like indexing new data on arrival, and archiving old data (with encryption) remotely. Indexes/transcripts could stay on their computer. As you updated your indexing algorithms you'd need some way to reindex old things.", "timestamp": 1325538296}, {"author": "Todd", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/112947709146257842066", "anchor": "gp-1325569455382", "service": "gp", "text": "A lot of people on this thread (here or on Facebook) are worried about privacy. You would always have the option to just not record yourself actively, at least. You might have to be careful about talking to other people who recorded themselves, but there would be no centralized database of your own conversations. I guess the question, though, is how much of a burden it would be to not record yourself if it became pervasive enough. I suspect we'll find out in the not too distant future, whether we want to or not.", "timestamp": 1325569455}]}