{"items": [{"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789762607282", "anchor": "fb-789762607282", "service": "fb", "text": "Do you think that you would regularly eat them as a plain patty? I would be more inclined to test them in a bun with whatever I thought my standard toppings would be.", "timestamp": "1464828770"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789762607282&reply_comment_id=789764703082", "anchor": "fb-789762607282_789764703082", "service": "fb", "text": "→ We did also test them with bread and ketchup, and that's what my rating ordering was based on.", "timestamp": "1464829777"}, {"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789762607282&reply_comment_id=789765162162", "anchor": "fb-789762607282_789765162162", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman Oh! I guess that's why I'm not an English teacher! Sorry!", "timestamp": "1464829970"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789762607282&reply_comment_id=789765890702", "anchor": "fb-789762607282_789765890702", "service": "fb", "text": "→ With bread and ketchup, they're roughly comparable to a low-quality burger like a McDonald's one, say. But not comparable to a thicker, homemade burger where you get a larger proportion of burger to bread and other stuff in each bite.", "timestamp": "1464830556"}, {"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789762607282&reply_comment_id=789766464552", "anchor": "fb-789762607282_789766464552", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Julia I think I've had a bocca burger more recently than a McDonalds burger, but I think I agree with you. I'm definitely a fan of adding avocado and toasting the bun.", "timestamp": "1464830726"}, {"author": "Alex", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632", "anchor": "fb-789763430632", "service": "fb", "text": "Miriam and I have generally found that veggie burgers that aren't trying to be beef are better. Vegetarian chicken patties, however, taste just as good as mechanically separated meat ones.", "timestamp": "1464829149"}, {"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789763774942", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789763774942", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I agree, I'm not even sure I could distinguish a fake chicken patty from a real one.", "timestamp": "1464829335"}, {"author": "Benjamin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789767407662", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789767407662", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Agree. Also burgers made of beef are tasty, but that defeats the purpose.", "timestamp": "1464831234"}, {"author": "Avi", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789767412652", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789767412652", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Do you know if any of these good chicken patties are vegan? If so, can you let me know which ones? I've found that some of the better tasting fake meat products contain (caged) eggs, which might cause more animal suffering than meat itself.", "timestamp": "1464831236"}, {"author": "Alex", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789767761952", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789767761952", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Avi Alas, we use a brand that includes egg.", "timestamp": "1464831543"}, {"author": "Avi", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789768051372", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789768051372", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Thanks for checking. That's too bad.", "timestamp": "1464831619"}, {"author": "Taymon", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789769942582", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789769942582", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Gardein fake chicken patties are excellent and fully vegan.", "timestamp": "1464832594"}, {"author": "Avi", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789770232002", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789770232002", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Taymon, Thanks, I'll look for them!", "timestamp": "1464832763"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789812482332", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789812482332", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Thanks Taymon! Recommended source? Star market?", "timestamp": "1464842000"}, {"author": "Taymon", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763430632&reply_comment_id=789822981292", "anchor": "fb-789763430632_789822981292", "service": "fb", "text": "→ You can get them at Star.", "timestamp": "1464851886"}, {"author": "Boris", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522", "anchor": "fb-789763984522", "service": "fb", "text": "I've been a big fan of gardein products -- virtually any of their products I've tried, I've liked (I've tried at least 7 things by them now).
I remember buying Beyond Meat chicken strips and trying them without cooking and disliking them ... but then I tried them again this year after frying them - they were amazing. *** One big caveat: they benefit from adding something fatty (avocado or some Just Mayo).
I imagine some veggie burgers benefit from addition of fat. Grilling may dehydrate them and leave them tasting worse than had they been lightly fried.", "timestamp": "1464829401"}, {"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522&reply_comment_id=789765202082", "anchor": "fb-789763984522_789765202082", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yeah, I think avocado often pairs particularly well with fake meat!", "timestamp": "1464830032"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522&reply_comment_id=789765381722", "anchor": "fb-789763984522_789765381722", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I did put oil on them (as recommended) which adds some fat?
(I do think it's pretty silly how they play up the \"so much less fat than beef\" aspect, and then tell you to brush on oil while cooking. Clever!)", "timestamp": "1464830168"}, {"author": "Avi", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522&reply_comment_id=789768520432", "anchor": "fb-789763984522_789768520432", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Incidentally, I just had Gardein meatless meatballs for dinner this evening. They're surprisingly good. https://gardein.com/products/meatless-meatballs/", "timestamp": "1464831804"}, {"author": "Boris", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522&reply_comment_id=789778186062", "anchor": "fb-789763984522_789778186062", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Related: \"Journal of Food Science finds that substituting a whopping 50% to 80% of the ground beef in one meal with saut\u00e9ed, ground button mushrooms boosted flavor intensity beyond that of an all-beef meal, with fewer calories and less cholesterol, saturated fat, and sodium.\" http://www.prevention.com/.../mushrooms-make-burgers...
Makes me think mushrooms should be a great pairing to enhance the flavor of meatless burgers too ;)", "timestamp": "1464837060"}, {"author": "Boris", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789763984522&reply_comment_id=789778330772", "anchor": "fb-789763984522_789778330772", "service": "fb", "text": "→ http://mushroominfo.com/.../The-Blend-Flavor-Study... ;)", "timestamp": "1464837160"}, {"author": "Claire", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789764019452", "anchor": "fb-789764019452", "service": "fb", "text": "My favorite right now are vegan Quorn burgers. I don't know if those are trying to be beef.", "timestamp": "1464829470"}, {"author": "David", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789765142202", "anchor": "fb-789765142202", "service": "fb", "text": "\"Texture weird, kind of slicy, off flavor\" Did you mean spicy?", "timestamp": "1464829963"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789765142202&reply_comment_id=789765217052", "anchor": "fb-789765142202_789765217052", "service": "fb", "text": "→ No, like my teeth were slicing the burger instead of biting into it.", "timestamp": "1464830039"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789765651182", "anchor": "fb-789765651182", "service": "fb", "text": "After reading reviews, I was disappointed that the Beast Burger wasn't very good. People seem to say various chicken-like products are better, so I'd like to do a test of those next.", "timestamp": "1464830377"}, {"author": "Jacy", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789765651182&reply_comment_id=789820626012", "anchor": "fb-789765651182_789820626012", "service": "fb", "text": "→ ", "timestamp": "1464847736"}, {"author": "Nikolai", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789765651182&reply_comment_id=789861863372", "anchor": "fb-789765651182_789861863372", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I'll echo the BM chicken strip recommendation; they're the shiznit, especially in dishes consisting of multiple foods and sauce (e.g. grilled, in sandwich with BBQ sauce).
Trader Joe\u2019s Chickenless Mandarin Orange Morsels (e.g. in a stir fry)
Trader Joe\u2019s Chickenless Crispy Tenders (e.g. in salad)
Field Roast Smoked Apple Sage Sausage (in anything)
To my palate, they're effectively indistinguishable from the real deal. I'm pretty sure they're all vegan, too. :]", "timestamp": "1464882141"}, {"author": "Sarah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789766743992", "anchor": "fb-789766743992", "service": "fb", "text": "At our house one of us vegan and can't tolerate hot spices and the other is on a gluten-free regime. After trying a bunch of veggie burgers we kept coming back to Amy's Sonoma Burgers. They don't try to be \"meat\", are delicious, and meet all our crazy food restrictions. We also keep trying to make our own, with varying degrees of success. I threw together a lentil walnut burger one time that was outstanding and then promptly forgot how I made it. C'est la vie-gan.", "timestamp": "1464830934"}, {"author": "Margaret", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789767053372", "anchor": "fb-789767053372", "service": "fb", "text": "I will definitely put a plug in for fake chicken situations. Be warned that some of them have egg white, I think? And that they come in both patties and nuggets.", "timestamp": "1464831120"}, {"author": "Avi", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789767053372&reply_comment_id=789768974522", "anchor": "fb-789767053372_789768974522", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Something to watch out for. It seems many of the best tasting meat alternatives contain (caged) eggs.", "timestamp": "1464832085"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769014442", "anchor": "fb-789769014442", "service": "fb", "text": "I've decided that I don't want a vegan burger that is supposed to taste like a meat burger. Just be veggies please.", "timestamp": "1464832106"}, {"author": "Wayne", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072", "anchor": "fb-789769199072", "service": "fb", "text": "", "timestamp": "1464832221"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789775531382", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789775531382", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This is a hella endorsement. Any chance the famed recipe would be shared?", "timestamp": "1464835733"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789812123052", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789812123052", "service": "fb", "text": "→ https://github.com/dchudz/misc/wiki/Burgers", "timestamp": "1464841641"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789812202892", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789812202892", "service": "fb", "text": "→ They don't hold together very well, so freezing as patties is not optional. After they're fried they stick together a bit better.", "timestamp": "1464841713"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789812741812", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789812741812", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Adding walnuts is good too.", "timestamp": "1464842440"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789812786722", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789812786722", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Also, have mostly just been doing the curry flavoring lately. People like that better.", "timestamp": "1464842485"}, {"author": "Wayne", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789812826642", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789812826642", "service": "fb", "text": "→ ", "timestamp": "1464842541"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789813230832", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789813230832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ :( wish I'd made them for you more when you were more nearby! Next time you all host me at your house i should make a bunch.", "timestamp": "1464842868"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=789830376472", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_789830376472", "service": "fb", "text": "→ David, thank you! I've been on a quest for a great bb burger recipe.", "timestamp": "1464862589"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791781226952", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791781226952", "service": "fb", "text": "→ David Chudzicki, I'm starting a batch of your famous burgers tonight (OK, 1/3 batch but still). I'm thinking the unit of measure for curry powder is tsp? TIA!", "timestamp": "1465518549"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791788657062", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791788657062", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Probably tsp, though 3t is 1T so it's a little weird to ask for 3t.", "timestamp": "1465520866"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791788961452", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791788961452", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I think teaspoons. Although since I've been doing them all with curry powder lately, that's tripled to 1 T salt, 3 T curry powser for the full mixture, instead of teaspoons for 1/3 of the mixture...", "timestamp": "1465521082"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791788991392", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791788991392", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff: When I wrote that I was maybe extra into not using more spoons than necessary. I dunno.", "timestamp": "1465521107"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791796920502", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791796920502", "service": "fb", "text": "→ OK, 3 t (or 1 T as Jeff Kaufman astutely noted). I got waylaid by mushroom nut pate. Beans are cooked but assembly has been postponed until tomorrow. Full report to come.", "timestamp": "1465524979"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791797125092", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791797125092", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Good luck!", "timestamp": "1465525084"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791797170002", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791797170002", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Is the mushroom nut pate easy?", "timestamp": "1465525113"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791797234872", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791797234872", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Thanks for luck. Hmmmm, is the pate easy? Not as easy as your burgers. It's vegan and wicked tasty though.", "timestamp": "1465525163"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789769199072&reply_comment_id=791797324692", "anchor": "fb-789769199072_791797324692", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I use the recipe in the CabbageTown Cookbook. I can scan it for you if you want to give it a go.", "timestamp": "1465525217"}, {"author": "Margot", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789775366712", "anchor": "fb-789775366712", "service": "fb", "text": "Your last statement is one I have found to be true:'... store-bought veggie burgers that weren't trying to imitate beef would have been tastier.' And not just of burgers, but all meat analogs.
Sunshine Burger is my favorite, esp their Garden Herb. I keep them around for emergency packed lunches for work. ETA I think they are great plain - good texture and very flavorful.", "timestamp": "1464835651"}, {"author": "Alex", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789780386652", "anchor": "fb-789780386652", "service": "fb", "text": "Forget all burger substitutes and grill an entire portabella mushroom!", "timestamp": "1464838119"}, {"author": "Peter", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789780651122", "anchor": "fb-789780651122", "service": "fb", "text": "A few years ago there was a burger place in Arlington center that had a very nice bean burger. I think I liked it because it was rather spicy and flavorful and wasn't really trying to imitate beef--just trying to be something that could be grilled and worked on a bun which is much easier to achieve.", "timestamp": "1464838208"}, {"author": "Stuart", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789818400472", "anchor": "fb-789818400472", "service": "fb", "text": "Not quite sure on the validity of these blind tests with you being a meat eater .... It's a bit like asking a person who does not drink alcohol to blind test single malt whiskies!", "timestamp": "1464846326"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789818400472&reply_comment_id=789820800662", "anchor": "fb-789818400472_789820800662", "service": "fb", "text": "→ That seems unfair... isn't it like asking someone who also drinks gin (gin made out of dead people I guess) to also test whiskeys?", "timestamp": "1464847976"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232", "anchor": "fb-789819019232", "service": "fb", "text": "You were blindfolded while picking out the burgers at the store, right, and also while dividing them up? And while cooking them, of course, or eating Them.
If not, you aren't actually blinded, because they're all visually distinctive and visual cuts influence perception. All of which you already know if you are listening to the best science journalism ever, Gastropod.", "timestamp": "1464846853"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232&reply_comment_id=789829188852", "anchor": "fb-789819019232_789829188852", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I'm fine with including visual appearance here, since that's a lot of how people enjoy food. The goal was to blind the tasters to which was which, not to what they looked like.
(Alice and I ended up preferring the least appetizing looking one.)", "timestamp": "1464861326"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232&reply_comment_id=789829473282", "anchor": "fb-789819019232_789829473282", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Why did it matter which was which?", "timestamp": "1464861429"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232&reply_comment_id=789829503222", "anchor": "fb-789819019232_789829503222", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Among other things, from reviews we went in expecting the Beyond Meat one to be surprisingly good and the Boca one to be pretty bad. I wanted to avoid the influence of other raters on our testing.", "timestamp": "1464861509"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232&reply_comment_id=789876713612", "anchor": "fb-789819019232_789876713612", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Correct, Kiran, this was not a laboratory-grade experiment. We did it the best we could with only two people carrying it out.
If a nice-looking food is more enjoyable, and we're searching for the most enjoyable food, looking at it as we eat is exactly what we want.", "timestamp": "1464889274"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789819019232&reply_comment_id=789918479912", "anchor": "fb-789819019232_789918479912", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Labels certainly influence taste (well-documented with wine). It's possible that opinions could as well. Why rule those out while allowing visual appearance?
Kenji Alt has discussed these issues on Serious Eats, and I believe his method is to use three samples per taste test, two of which are the same.", "timestamp": "1464911062"}, {"author": "Stuart", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789823999252", "anchor": "fb-789823999252", "service": "fb", "text": "Ok David, fair point!", "timestamp": "1464853213"}, {"author": "Kevin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789860765572", "anchor": "fb-789860765572", "service": "fb", "text": "Fieldroast makes the best burger I've tried, but I focus far more on texture then taste. Also, expensive.", "timestamp": "1464881451"}, {"author": "Ken", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789874353342", "anchor": "fb-789874353342", "service": "fb", "text": "Black bean burgers will always be FTW, IMHO.", "timestamp": "1464887871"}, {"author": "Beth", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789934926952", "anchor": "fb-789934926952", "service": "fb", "text": "trader joes vegetable masala burgers", "timestamp": "1464919212"}, {"author": "Margaret", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789934926952&reply_comment_id=791794495362", "anchor": "fb-789934926952_791794495362", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Oh, I did not enjoy those. Mushy and not filling!", "timestamp": "1465523579"}, {"author": "Beth", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=789934926952&reply_comment_id=791837708762", "anchor": "fb-789934926952_791837708762", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Really? I cook mine in a frying pan with a little olive oil. I usually err on cooking a little longer on my veggie burgers to avoid the mush factor.", "timestamp": "1465538092"}, {"author": "Brice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/789761274952?comment_id=792193346062", "anchor": "fb-792193346062", "service": "fb", "text": "i'll wait for the athletic and blood test comparison", "timestamp": "1465602732"}]}