{"items": [{"author": "Jim", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765849429482", "anchor": "fb-765849429482", "service": "fb", "text": "The wikipedia page says a food has sufficient lysine at 5.1% of protein and mentions the recommendation having been adjusted upward at some point. However, all the recommendations come with a huge caveat: the list of what lysine gets used for. From the same wikipedia article: \"L-Lysine plays a major role in calcium absorption; building muscle protein; recovering from surgery or sports injuries; and the body's production of hormones, enzymes, and antibodies.\" Three of those (building muscle, recovering from injuries, and making antibodies) are things that would suggest both highly variable requirements and significant downsides to not having enough.", "timestamp": "1452231749"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765849429482&reply_comment_id=765897523102", "anchor": "fb-765849429482_765897523102", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Wikipedia is citing the 2002 paper, http://iom.nationalacademies.org/.../Dietary-Reference... which does give 5.1%.  I'm using 4.5% from table 23 in the 2007 paper http://apps.who.int/.../10665/43411/1/WHO_TRS_935_eng.pdf . That table does show that the 1985 recommendation was just 1.8%, which matches your \"having been adjusted upward\".<br><br>Section 1.8.8 in the WHO report gives more details on how they got their recommendation, being a meta-analysis of 18 studies.  Since they were writing in 2007, and six of the references they cite were recent enough that the 2002 analysis wouldn't have been able to consider them, I'd lean towards the 4.5% (30mg/kg) number.", "timestamp": "1452270418"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765875976282", "anchor": "fb-765875976282", "service": "fb", "text": "Something something the end of Jurassic Park. (The book)<br><br>Dinos escaping the island were engineered to not produce lysine, but reports from South America of bean crops being ravaged shows that... Life...finds a way...", "timestamp": "1452258826"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765875976282&reply_comment_id=765882573062", "anchor": "fb-765875976282_765882573062", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Though meat has more lysine than beans, and presumably they were eating a lot of meat, so this is a little off.", "timestamp": "1452262884"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765875976282&reply_comment_id=765887423342", "anchor": "fb-765875976282_765887423342", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Well, I can't remember if the dinos that excaped were herbivores or carnivores - if they were raptors, yeah, meat would be a good option.", "timestamp": "1452265038"}, {"author": "Allison", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765889359462", "anchor": "fb-765889359462", "service": "fb", "text": "It looks like you're using soy for the lysine content of beans, but your pasta is made from black beans. Do beans all have about the same amino acid ratios, or did your source only have the ratios for soy?", "timestamp": "1452266058"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765889359462&reply_comment_id=765892777612", "anchor": "fb-765889359462_765892777612", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Sorry, yes! My source only had the soy ratios, and I used those as an approximation for the black bean ratios.<br><br>http://www.gardeningplaces.com/.../lysine-content-foods.htm doesn't list black beans, but all the beans it does list are pretty similar, between 125% and 148% of ideal.", "timestamp": "1452267972"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765889359462&reply_comment_id=765893680802", "anchor": "fb-765889359462_765893680802", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Aha! http://www.bitterpoison.com/protein/16015/<br><br>Black bean protein is 6.86% lysine, so for a target of 4.5% it would score 152 instead of the 144 I used.", "timestamp": "1452268500"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765889359462&reply_comment_id=765898511122", "anchor": "fb-765889359462_765898511122", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Updated the post.", "timestamp": "1452271010"}, {"author": "Leah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172", "anchor": "fb-765891500172", "service": "fb", "text": "I'm convinced that regular noodles shouldn't be my only source of protein ever, but why eat bean noodles at all?", "timestamp": "1452267209"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172&reply_comment_id=765893740682", "anchor": "fb-765891500172_765893740682", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;I like pasta? And my housemates are vegan, so many of the proteiny things I would normally put on pasta wouldn't work.", "timestamp": "1452268558"}, {"author": "Elissa", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172&reply_comment_id=765894748662", "anchor": "fb-765891500172_765894748662", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;For vegan pasta with proteiny sauce, I like pasta e ceci, vegan chili mac, or spaghetti sauce with vegan crumbles. But if you like the taste and texture of the bean pasta enough to justify the cost, then why not, I guess.", "timestamp": "1452269070"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172&reply_comment_id=765898820502", "anchor": "fb-765891500172_765898820502", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;@Elissa: And the cost isn't very large.  Replacing 100% wheat pasta with 80% wheat pasta and 20% bean pasta brings you from $1/lb to $1.30/lb.  This is more expensive than just eating regular beans with your pasta, but (guessing) I think it's cheaper than cheese, meat, tofu, or tvp.", "timestamp": "1452271289"}, {"author": "Chris", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172&reply_comment_id=765902647832", "anchor": "fb-765891500172_765902647832", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman do you like Kalamata olives? They add a great flavor to tomato based pasta sauces if you need to keep it vegan. Similar in salty punch to adding Italian Sausage.", "timestamp": "1452272936"}, {"author": "Leah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/765841954462?comment_id=765891500172&reply_comment_id=765903126872", "anchor": "fb-765891500172_765903126872", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;I like to do a pasta sauce of olive oil, kale, white beans, lemon zest, a bit of pasta cooking water, and optional parmesan.", "timestamp": "1452273406"}]}