{"items": [{"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864131800822", "anchor": "fb-864131800822", "service": "fb", "text": "(Prompted by my thinking this was obviously pleasant, and Julia thinking it was obviously terrible)", "timestamp": "1492178358"}, {"author": "Lauren", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864132075272", "anchor": "fb-864132075272", "service": "fb", "text": "I share this preference some of the time, possibly most of the time. could you still sleep on the couch if desired?", "timestamp": "1492178446"}, {"author": "Cecile", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864132200022", "anchor": "fb-864132200022", "service": "fb", "text": "I vote for loft. Not being able to get away from people is really tiring.", "timestamp": "1492178466"}, {"author": "Chase", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864132200022&reply_comment_id=864178582072", "anchor": "fb-864132200022_864178582072", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Exactly", "timestamp": "1492185597"}, {"author": "Carol", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864135208992", "anchor": "fb-864135208992", "service": "fb", "text": "I think it would be a cozy option. I can see why some people wouldn't like it, but I love the idea.", "timestamp": "1492178729"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864135962482", "anchor": "fb-864135962482", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff, you've framed the question as \"Am I weird, or is this nice?\" and it's much socially easier to comment if your opinion is \"this is nice.\" I was thinking of a poll like \"Given the option of this or a couch, which would you choose?\"", "timestamp": "1492178862"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864135962482&reply_comment_id=864138028342", "anchor": "fb-864135962482_864138028342", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Valid survey design point! Though some of us relish the opportunity to tell Jeff he is weird :-P.", "timestamp": "1492179326"}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864135962482&reply_comment_id=864147204952", "anchor": "fb-864135962482_864147204952", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Right, it's entirely possible that both could be true.", "timestamp": "1492180962"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864136576252", "anchor": "fb-864136576252", "service": "fb", "text": "I love lofts and they feel like cool treehouses. However, for anyone with a bad knee or mobility issues or getting-up-in-the-night-to-pee-frequently issues, it would be not good. My mom, for example, has a bad knee and would not want it.", "timestamp": "1492179015"}, {"author": "Amy", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864136626152", "anchor": "fb-864136626152", "service": "fb", "text": "I get claustrophobic so I expect I would feel a bit panicked in a place like this. Despite your good description, I'm not 100% sure I understand it, though. So maybe I'm missing an element that would make it feel like I was getting enough air. Nathan Labenz?", "timestamp": "1492179033"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864136626152&reply_comment_id=864136715972", "anchor": "fb-864136626152_864136715972", "service": "fb", "text": "→ It opens onto the stairway, so it's like being in a tunnel with one end open.", "timestamp": "1492179082"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864136626152&reply_comment_id=864145283802", "anchor": "fb-864136626152_864145283802", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I think if you get claustrophobic you wouldn't like it; it would be pretty tight", "timestamp": "1492180576"}, {"author": "Ryan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864136666072", "anchor": "fb-864136666072", "service": "fb", "text": "Were it me, I think it would be lovely, but I understand why others would disagree.", "timestamp": "1492179050"}, {"author": "Jeannine", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137534332", "anchor": "fb-864137534332", "service": "fb", "text": "Could you build the sleeping cave and keep the couch, so people could choose what's best for them?", "timestamp": "1492179209"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137534332&reply_comment_id=864155697932", "anchor": "fb-864137534332_864155697932", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yup!", "timestamp": "1492181892"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132", "anchor": "fb-864137634132", "service": "fb", "text": "The stair landing layout is not totally clear. Is it a flat landing, where stairs continuing up make a 90 degree turn? Can you rotate the ladder, and give the ladder a little slope, so that someone coming down the ladder, steps down to a flat landing, which will be much safer? This would partially block the stairs, it would require that the ladder fold up against the wall when not in use, but this would be much better for climbing up, and especially for climbing down, the ladder.", "timestamp": "1492179248"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864141965452", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864141965452", "service": "fb", "text": "→ No, there's not a way to make the ladder go to a flat landing without it blocking the stairwell.", "timestamp": "1492180008"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864156266792", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864156266792", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Michael Hmm, this might be possible if the ladder was mounted with springs so it would fold itself up against the wall if no one was on it?
On the other hand, if I run the ladder vertically between a pair of studs then I can partly recess it.", "timestamp": "1492182085"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864167125032", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864167125032", "service": "fb", "text": "→ It's a given that the ladder has to come down to a flat landing. Hinges need not be spring-loaded, if the ladder clips against the wall. When ladder is against the wall, a barrier has to close off the opening that someone might step down through think there is a ladder there.", "timestamp": "1492183992"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864167554172", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864167554172", "service": "fb", "text": "→ But the real problem here is that a ladder is already likely to not be to code, and having it not in place for escape makes it even worse. Can you have an emergency escape through a normally-closed hatch, through the knee wall, into the living space there, and escape through that way if necessary?", "timestamp": "1492184110"}, {"author": "Nathan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864168766742", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864168766742", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Vertical ladders are relatively difficult to climb - particularly if trying to carry something up like a suitcase or bedding. Also if the ladder doesn't extend up above the floor it needs handles to grab and it can still be hard to find the first step on your way down. If the ladder has a normal slope it is much easier to use because you can support your weight entirely with your legs and see the steps on the way down.", "timestamp": "1492184430"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864172070122", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864172070122", "service": "fb", "text": "→ The ladder will extend up into the upper space -- but that portion of the ladder will be fixed, it doesn't need to fold against the wall.", "timestamp": "1492184860"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864137634132&reply_comment_id=864172324612", "anchor": "fb-864137634132_864172324612", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Michael: \"Hinges need not be spring-loaded, if the ladder clips against the wall.\"
Without that I suspect it would tend to get left in the down position while someone was up there and be annoyingly in the way.", "timestamp": "1492184950"}, {"author": "Peter", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864138083232", "anchor": "fb-864138083232", "service": "fb", "text": "I've slept in a loft at a friend's house, and it was better than their sofa. But there was a 4' headspace across the entire width of the bed, and the ladder landed on a large flat floor. If your drawing is accurate I don't think there's enough room up there.", "timestamp": "1492179343"}, {"author": "Florence", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864140184022", "anchor": "fb-864140184022", "service": "fb", "text": "Depends if my body can fully stretch out.", "timestamp": "1492179659"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864140184022&reply_comment_id=864145488392", "anchor": "fb-864140184022_864145488392", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Body can definitely stretch out fully horizontally; that direction is about ten feet. But the other two directions are limited.", "timestamp": "1492180634"}, {"author": "Rachel", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864141561262", "anchor": "fb-864141561262", "service": "fb", "text": "I personally love lofts and would opt for a small and cozy sleep space over a couch, but smaller sleep spaces (particularly ones with low headroom like you are mentioning) can be uncomfortable for taller/larger humans.", "timestamp": "1492179926"}, {"author": "Eric", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864141601182", "anchor": "fb-864141601182", "service": "fb", "text": "Am I reading correctly that the space is only 61 inches long? That would not work for me, but if the space fits at least a twin size mattress, I'd definitely prefer it over the couch", "timestamp": "1492179929"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864141601182&reply_comment_id=864146172022", "anchor": "fb-864141601182_864146172022", "service": "fb", "text": "→ The space is ~10 feet long. The 61\" notation is for something else.", "timestamp": "1492180743"}, {"author": "Scott", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864141646092", "anchor": "fb-864141646092", "service": "fb", "text": "\"People of course could sleep in either place, so it's fine if some people would prefer one vs the other, but if no one aside from me would be interested in sleeping in a loft then I probably shouldn't build one.\"
I would prefer the loft, enough that if a friend of mine was building one I'd offer to help out. I also know one person that would have a massive preference for the loft, to the point that it would make or break their decision to stay at someone's house.
It obviously still depends on the effort and material required and the satisfaction you get from building it, but this is a strong vote for it.", "timestamp": "1492179941"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142185012", "anchor": "fb-864142185012", "service": "fb", "text": "Note that there's not a way to both block light and have ventilation. So you'd either have an open end of the room by your feet (fairly close to a window), or be in a tunnel with a curtain across the only opening.", "timestamp": "1492180079"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142185012&reply_comment_id=864146371622", "anchor": "fb-864142185012_864146371622", "service": "fb", "text": "→ What I'm thinking of doing for ventilation is to cover the top corner and left corner, put a vent in one, and put a fan in the other. Both would block light.", "timestamp": "1492180800"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932", "anchor": "fb-864142224932", "service": "fb", "text": "I'm concerned about safety and code compliance if the access ladder comes down to a non-level surface, particularly one that's non-level in a different axis than the one the ladder travels in.
For me, I think I'm highly unlikely to be excited about that kind of loft, in part because I'm too tall for that ceiling height (4.5') to be comfortable to get in and out of. As a small child, I would probably have committed petty crimes to have access to a loft like that.
Also: not sure whether the knee wall comes down to 61.5\" or whether the resultant loft would have a length of 61.5\". If it's the latter, I think it's unlikely that you have a sufficiency of guests shorter than 5'1\" to make your use case a common one.", "timestamp": "1492180093"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864144305762", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864144305762", "service": "fb", "text": "→ There's no way this meets code.
The loft would be plenty long, though, it can go like 12 feet.", "timestamp": "1492180487"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864147025312", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864147025312", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"I'm too tall for that ceiling height (4.5') to be comfortable to get in and out of.\"
The idea is that people would crawl in/out, and not be able to stand anywhere near upright.", "timestamp": "1492180906"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864148182992", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864148182992", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Fair. My instinct is to say that you'd also want some sort of a gate that could be latched onto the opening to keep people from falling out, since some folks move a lot in their sleep (or just would worry that they'd move).", "timestamp": "1492181207"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864148527302", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864148527302", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Hollis: bunk beds typically don't have anything to keep you from falling out, and it's way easier to fall out of a bunk because you just roll over too far.", "timestamp": "1492181255"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864148711932", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864148711932", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Hm. That's not been my experience of bunk beds (they've all had side risers), but I haven't slept in that many.", "timestamp": "1492181296"}, {"author": "Julia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864152214912", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864152214912", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This would be at the foot. You could scoot farther in so your feet are several feet away from the drop. I don't think people are likely to scoot off the foot of a bed by mistake.
I do think it will be nearly impossible to keep kids out of, though, and a gate if anything would make me worried that they think it's secure and someday someone leans on it and it's not latched and there's a 7 foot drop.", "timestamp": "1492181384"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864155533262", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864155533262", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Hollis: What I think of as standard bunk beds for adults don't have side risers: http://www.militarysupplyhouse.com/sleepus1.htm http://www.drf.umd.edu/buildings/beds.cfm
Bunk beds for kids do have sides, and most people these days only use bunks with kids, so I think maybe that's why we have different perceptions?", "timestamp": "1492181815"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864204699732", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864204699732", "service": "fb", "text": "→ As long as you aren't calling it a bedroom, or having some member of your household *treat* it as a bedroom, I don't think code comes into play, though of course, actual safety does.", "timestamp": "1492188344"}, {"author": "Ellen", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864227104832", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864227104832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman All the bunk beds I've seen have had side risers - you're looking at military supplies, which might be different.", "timestamp": "1492192089"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864244030912", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864244030912", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Ellen: the second link I gave above is for college bunk beds, which typically also don't have guard rails
(I'm pretty sure the bunk beds we were on freshman year at Swarthmore were all guard-less)", "timestamp": "1492194001"}, {"author": "Kitty", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864270717432", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864270717432", "service": "fb", "text": "→ i def could have used a side rail in my college bunk bed ;)", "timestamp": "1492197497"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864142224932&reply_comment_id=864277578682", "anchor": "fb-864142224932_864277578682", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Kitty YOUR MOM could ha... never mind, it would've gotten in the way.", "timestamp": "1492198457"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1492263815"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864146476412", "anchor": "fb-864146476412", "service": "fb", "text": "My preferences are correlated with how close I feel to those whose space I'm in. Falling asleep in a room full of family or close friends is the Very Best Thing imo.", "timestamp": "1492180822"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864146476412&reply_comment_id=864146646072", "anchor": "fb-864146476412_864146646072", "service": "fb", "text": "→ When we have guests they're generally the only person falling asleep in the living room.", "timestamp": "1492180854"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864146476412&reply_comment_id=864147389582", "anchor": "fb-864146476412_864147389582", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I think that if they could conceivably reappear at any moment that's probably close enough?", "timestamp": "1492180999"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864146476412&reply_comment_id=864147833692", "anchor": "fb-864146476412_864147833692", "service": "fb", "text": "→ In the counterfactual world where I ever went to my grandmother's house myself _and_ my cousins had any inclination to respect the privacy of the living room, I don't care whether I sleep on a couch or in a loft, matters of comfort being equal.", "timestamp": "1492181121"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864146476412&reply_comment_id=864152334672", "anchor": "fb-864146476412_864152334672", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I probably was anchored on \"can't go to sleep while others are still up\" originally. But also I see that your question is \"would anyone like this\" and so my answer is \"me sometimes\".", "timestamp": "1492181396"}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864147439482", "anchor": "fb-864147439482", "service": "fb", "text": "I share your preference.", "timestamp": "1492181016"}, {"author": "Alice", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864147738882", "anchor": "fb-864147738882", "service": "fb", "text": "me too", "timestamp": "1492181086"}, {"author": "Natty", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864147953452", "anchor": "fb-864147953452", "service": "fb", "text": "Love it! I say do it. Kids (w/out limited mobility) will also love to hide there, and visiting friends' kids will love to sleep there. I would especially love it if there were a bar above the entrance to hold onto to help getting in and out.", "timestamp": "1492181158"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864148058242", "anchor": "fb-864148058242", "service": "fb", "text": "(I've removed the \"knee wall 61 inches\" annotation, which was there because the diagram was originally made for a different purpose)", "timestamp": "1492181177"}, {"author": "Richard", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864148257842", "anchor": "fb-864148257842", "service": "fb", "text": "I have one. People like it.", "timestamp": "1492181218"}, {"author": "Ian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864154101132", "anchor": "fb-864154101132", "service": "fb", "text": "I love the idea of a loft in general, and think kids would love it. As an adult guest, though, I suspect I'd find it a pain to wrestle a suitcase up the ladder, over the mattress and down to the foot of the bed. I also imagine it'll be a challenge to strip the bed, which some percentage of polite guests are going to do without consulting you.", "timestamp": "1492181687"}, {"author": "Ian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864159814682", "anchor": "fb-864159814682", "service": "fb", "text": "It would give you somewhere to put Ollie if he had to come live with you but also was some sort of magical chosen one.", "timestamp": "1492182788"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864159814682&reply_comment_id=864160263782", "anchor": "fb-864159814682_864160263782", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"magical chosen one\"
?", "timestamp": "1492182898"}, {"author": "Ian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864159814682&reply_comment_id=864162020262", "anchor": "fb-864159814682_864162020262", "service": "fb", "text": "→ (See Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Harry lives in a closet at his uncle's house before he discovers he's a wizard.)", "timestamp": "1492183088"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864159814682&reply_comment_id=864162918462", "anchor": "fb-864159814682_864162918462", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Sorry, \"chosen one\" had me thinking more along \"Neo\" lines.", "timestamp": "1492183224"}, {"author": "Ian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864159814682&reply_comment_id=864163197902", "anchor": "fb-864159814682_864163197902", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I mean, kid can grow up to be whatever kind of chosen one he wants to be.", "timestamp": "1492183264"}, {"author": "John", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864160009292", "anchor": "fb-864160009292", "service": "fb", "text": "My aunt and uncle had a loft when I was growing up, and it was definitely an attraction. It was exciting to visit because we'd get to sleep in the loft.
I'm not sure what precisely is the idea regarding covering the ends, but I think a fan for ventilation is a good idea, and also keeping the end open seems like a good idea--partly because it would be easier to confirm there are no spiders or whatever, and partly because it's fun to wake up and eavesdrop on people in the nearby common space.", "timestamp": "1492182834"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864160009292&reply_comment_id=864160233842", "anchor": "fb-864160009292_864160233842", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"eavesdrop on people in the nearby common space\"
It's off of the stairs, so not a great place for eavesdropping", "timestamp": "1492182870"}, {"author": "Elizabeth", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864165298692", "anchor": "fb-864165298692", "service": "fb", "text": "Loft loft loft loft", "timestamp": "1492183544"}, {"author": "Eloise", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864167144992", "anchor": "fb-864167144992", "service": "fb", "text": "Sam prefers couch, I prefer loft. I think this is an extroversion/introversion thing.", "timestamp": "1492184005"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864167144992&reply_comment_id=864168547182", "anchor": "fb-864167144992_864168547182", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I'm pretty extroverted, though, and prefer loft.
For me, it's mostly that I want to be able to sleep when I want to, and not be woken up unnecessarily. If no one else would be around while I was trying to sleep I wouldn't have much of a preference.", "timestamp": "1492184414"}, {"author": "Lauren", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864167144992&reply_comment_id=864171631002", "anchor": "fb-864167144992_864171631002", "service": "fb", "text": "→ as someone who needs interaction to get on in life but who also needs alone time, this is exactly why I'd want both options if possible.", "timestamp": "1492184726"}, {"author": "Kate", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864170104062", "anchor": "fb-864170104062", "service": "fb", "text": "I strongly prefer loft", "timestamp": "1492184549"}, {"author": "Bernadette", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864171486292", "anchor": "fb-864171486292", "service": "fb", "text": "We have a loft study accessed by pretty steep stairs, and we have a double bed up there for guests. Only bad outcome has been one guest (in her 30's, so not precisely decrepit) stumbling on the stairs at night and throwing out her back for several weeks. She was a bit jetlagged at the time, but that's pretty common for guests with us.", "timestamp": "1492184690"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512", "anchor": "fb-864178362512", "service": "fb", "text": "(a) what's \"under\" the low eave?
(b) clearly some sort of skylight with an emergency exit mechanism is needed", "timestamp": "1492185545"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512&reply_comment_id=864179310612", "anchor": "fb-864178362512_864179310612", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Andrew:
(a) currently it's empty space
(b) an additional exit into the adjacent bedroom could work, but one onto the roof would put you 30ft up on a steep surface with nowhere to go from there.", "timestamp": "1492185775"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512&reply_comment_id=864179774682", "anchor": "fb-864178362512_864179774682", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman - if there's empty space under the eave, why not just put the bed there? Is it empty space as in an open porch or something?
I was thinking roof with some sort of emergency exit device, BTW, not just leaving your guests there.", "timestamp": "1492185837"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512&reply_comment_id=864182090042", "anchor": "fb-864178362512_864182090042", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Andrew: that's what I'm proposing in the linked post?", "timestamp": "1492186261"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512&reply_comment_id=864204599932", "anchor": "fb-864178362512_864204599932", "service": "fb", "text": "→ No, I meant what was below where the bed is going to go? Another room? The stairs appear to do a 180 at the head of your proposed bed.", "timestamp": "1492188312"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864178362512&reply_comment_id=864245068832", "anchor": "fb-864178362512_864245068832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ @Andrew: yes, another room. The stairs do a 180 in the opposite direction. Here's the full third floor layout: http://www.jefftk.com/dormer-final-floorplan-big.png
The space I'm talking about is the \"low eave\" in the lower left of the page.", "timestamp": "1492194123"}, {"author": "Dewey", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864179091052", "anchor": "fb-864179091052", "service": "fb", "text": "Another vote for small and private over large and public!", "timestamp": "1492185747"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864181181862", "anchor": "fb-864181181862", "service": "fb", "text": "I think the practical answer is, use the space behind the kneewall for storage -- make cupboards and drawers which are accessible to the living space on the other side of the kneewall. And let the guests sleep on the sofa.", "timestamp": "1492186084"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864192129922", "anchor": "fb-864192129922", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff, I went back to your post about the dormers to see the layout of the third floor. Forget the ladder. Move the closet in bedroom 2, and take a little more space from that bedroom, and you can just have a door from the hallway, that goes through a full-height area for people to hang clothes and set their suitcase on something, and then they go into the low area for sleeping. Note that the door to bedroom 2 has the hinges changed to the other side, so that the door opens against the new wall.", "timestamp": "1492187493"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864192129922&reply_comment_id=864203072992", "anchor": "fb-864192129922_864203072992", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This turns a bunch of bedroom space into effectively hallway though", "timestamp": "1492188259"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864192129922&reply_comment_id=864613615262", "anchor": "fb-864192129922_864613615262", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman You only need enough bedroom space to put the bed. Large bedrooms are a waste of space.", "timestamp": "1492252018"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864192134912", "anchor": "fb-864192134912", "service": "fb", "text": "I had a similar (though not identical) choice to make, several times, and chose the loft each time, even while having temporary knee issues that made the ladder more difficult to manage. There were other factors, though.", "timestamp": "1492187498"}, {"author": "Elizabeth", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864204624882", "anchor": "fb-864204624882", "service": "fb", "text": "Usually I would prefer the loft option.", "timestamp": "1492188315"}, {"author": "Cortland", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864205892342", "anchor": "fb-864205892342", "service": "fb", "text": "In theory I really like sleeping somewhere like a loft. In practice I see two problems, one minor and one significant. It is slightly annoying to climb a ladder to get a drink of water or use a bathroom. I accept this inconvenience for the pleasure of sleeping in a loft. Second and more important, it is often too warm and stuffy to sleep in a loft space. I prefer to sleep somewhere cooler than the average living space in a home.", "timestamp": "1492188571"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864205892342&reply_comment_id=864212379342", "anchor": "fb-864205892342_864212379342", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"it is often too warm and stuffy to sleep in a loft space\"
With enough air movement from fans it should be practical to make this be the same temperature as the rest of the house, no?", "timestamp": "1492189682"}, {"author": "Cortland", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864205892342&reply_comment_id=864763679532", "anchor": "fb-864205892342_864763679532", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman Out here in California, some homes have thin roofs with poor insulation and moderate thermal mass, so the eaves stay quite toasty into late evening. If your roof is well insulated and you've got no pockets of hot air up at the ceiling, the loft won't be stuffy.", "timestamp": "1492278175"}, {"author": "Pat", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864206840442", "anchor": "fb-864206840442", "service": "fb", "text": "I definitely would, but I like tidy, small spaces in general.", "timestamp": "1492188798"}, {"author": "Mac", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864208362392", "anchor": "fb-864208362392", "service": "fb", "text": "I've seen bunks on a 41' yacht that were somewhat larger than coffins. And this situation is supposed to be recreation,", "timestamp": "1492188984"}, {"author": "Linda", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864209480152", "anchor": "fb-864209480152", "service": "fb", "text": "Not at all. I am more comfortable in a small space myself.", "timestamp": "1492189129"}, {"author": "Lynette", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864211326452", "anchor": "fb-864211326452", "service": "fb", "text": "I like the loft idea", "timestamp": "1492189508"}, {"author": "Todd", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864233686642", "anchor": "fb-864233686642", "service": "fb", "text": "I actually think that having somewhere to put my stuff is more important to me than the actual sleeping configuration. I'm pretty good at sleeping, but I'm not good at trusting others around my stuff, or at trusting myself to keep track of my stuff, if I don't have a good way of demarcating the region in which my stuff is located.", "timestamp": "1492192666"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864233686642&reply_comment_id=864244679612", "anchor": "fb-864233686642_864244679612", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This does ok with that, except you have to carry your suitcase up a ladder and you can only access it via crawling...", "timestamp": "1492194038"}, {"author": "Todd", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864233686642&reply_comment_id=864249609732", "anchor": "fb-864233686642_864249609732", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I'd probably prefer that to having my suitcase in the middle of traffic, but I may not be typical in that regard.", "timestamp": "1492194439"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864238816362", "anchor": "fb-864238816362", "service": "fb", "text": "I'm tiny and like lofts; I've slept in about as many bunk beds in my life as regular beds, despite never having had to share a bedroom with a sibling. Would you be able to put a power outlet for phone charging and/or a reading lamp or string of christmas lights without burning the house down?
Also noteworthy: making the bed for guests will be challenging.
Lily/Anna/Ollie and co. will love it once they're a bit more grown!", "timestamp": "1492193283"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864238816362&reply_comment_id=864242004972", "anchor": "fb-864238816362_864242004972", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"power outlet\"
Yes, you'd want to set up power for charging, plus install a light with switch and hard-wire the ventilation fan", "timestamp": "1492193693"}, {"author": "Sophia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864244005962", "anchor": "fb-864244005962", "service": "fb", "text": "I wouldn't mind sleeping in a small, potentially claustrophobic space, but I wouldn't like climbing a 6.5' vertical ladder from a staircase to get there.", "timestamp": "1492193990"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864250652642", "anchor": "fb-864250652642", "service": "fb", "text": "Place the ladder flat against the wall as you originally proposed. But move the ladder to the left, so it starts from the flat landing. The ladder goes all the way to the sloped ceiling above. You step off the ladder to the right, and go in the portal which is next to the ladder, the portal is not above the top of the ladder. There can be a platform there, as the platform is at the ceiling level of the landing, even higher than ceiling level above the stairs going down from that landing. This might almost be a good idea, except that ... I can see someone crawling into a less than full height portal to get into the sleeping space. I can see someone climbing a ladder to get into the sleeping space. I cannot see someone climbing the ladder and *then* crawling into a less than full height portal, with only a little platform for the transition.", "timestamp": "1492194590"}, {"author": "Jacob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864261930042", "anchor": "fb-864261930042", "service": "fb", "text": "I literally moved my bed into my closet in college because the room was too bright. Definitely on the loft side of things.", "timestamp": "1492196109"}, {"author": "William", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864370013442", "anchor": "fb-864370013442", "service": "fb", "text": "We have almost this exact thing in the crawl space here at Asgard (except it's off the top floor hallway, not climbing a staircase). Wide enough barely for a queen size bed, but very low ceiling. Works great for sleeping. When we don't have a guest over we pull out the mattress and that's a perfectly sized kid play area!", "timestamp": "1492209917"}, {"author": "David German", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/111229345142780712481", "anchor": "gp-1492222614116", "service": "gp", "text": "Loft, definitely. This would be more comfortable than a lot of RV bunk beds. \n
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\nYou could consider putting a pulley or eyehook on the ceiling of the stairwell, for hoisting up bedding and luggage.", "timestamp": 1492222614}, {"author": "Donna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864468980112", "anchor": "fb-864468980112", "service": "fb", "text": "I'm with Jeff. Clogging up your host's living room isn't great; then everyone has to tiptoe around you. We had a bed tucked up under the roof for visitors, and yes it was awkward-ish to get up into, but once you were up there it was great. Give your visitors the choice, I bet most choose the loft bed.", "timestamp": "1492226248"}, {"author": "Glenn", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864469843382", "anchor": "fb-864469843382", "service": "fb", "text": "Seconding (Nth-ing), make sure that the result is both up to code and (more importantly) safe in a variety of situations such as fire and earthquake that might not be immediately obvious.", "timestamp": "1492226494"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864612487522", "anchor": "fb-864612487522", "service": "fb", "text": "When I stayed with Darlene in Cincinnati at Pigtown, I always slept in the storage closet under the eaves. They thought this was insanely inhospitable but it was quiet and dark and that's what I think makes for good sleeping. I much preferred it to the guest room; most people use their brightest and most airy rooms for bedrooms. And most people complain about how they can't get a good night's sleep but they never think it could be the light or the noise.", "timestamp": "1492251419"}, {"author": "Carol", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864684248712", "anchor": "fb-864684248712", "service": "fb", "text": "I would not be comfortable going up and down a ladder, though for someone younger and in better shape that might not be a problem. Could you create more privacy in the sofa bed area with one or more folding screens?", "timestamp": "1492266615"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1492269892"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864768983902", "anchor": "fb-864768983902", "service": "fb", "text": "if you build it, i would visit you and sleep there. in fact, i might drive up to your house *just* to sleep in this space.", "timestamp": "1492279260"}, {"author": "Nora", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864768983902&reply_comment_id=864802786162", "anchor": "fb-864768983902_864802786162", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"if you build it, they will come\"", "timestamp": "1492285589"}, {"author": "William", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864803559612", "anchor": "fb-864803559612", "service": "fb", "text": "Lofts are good until you get old, in which case, you wish you hadn't.", "timestamp": "1492285810"}, {"author": "Lauren", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/864130498432?comment_id=864863235022", "anchor": "fb-864863235022", "service": "fb", "text": "Vote: private option. For me a bit or quiet space, with mildew/mold/cat-free air is the golden hosting situation. I'll stoop to sleep & dress solo rather than spread tall to sleep in a group and dress in a damp bathroom. Tiny space for the win.", "timestamp": "1492295988"}]}