{"items": [{"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1402085570"}, {"author": "Arthur", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662524787892", "anchor": "fb-662524787892", "service": "fb", "text": "I am a big fan of deciding *to* do something before deciding *how* to do it, which may seem \"irrational\" of me but insisting you must know exactly how to do something before committing to it is one of the top ways procrastinators avoid ever doing them.
I think this is true on a personal level and probably a societal level too.", "timestamp": "1402086024"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662528610232", "anchor": "fb-662528610232", "service": "fb", "text": "@Elliot: \"you want someone to come up with a piece of draft legislation before we can even start talking about an idea\"
Well, I *would* like that, but I agree that's too high a standard. I'm not arguing for that here, though. For example, one set of answers to my questions about wages for housework would be \"log your hours, send them to the government, get $X/hr, random auditing to make sure you're not falsifying them.\" Or \"register as a carer, receive $X/year per person you're caring for\". Or \"prohibit unpaid housework, remove housework labor monopsony, carers work for whichever employer they wish accepting jobs and negotiating wages like any other employee\". These broad policy approaches let us look at the potential ups and downs of different approaches without requiring full-on legislation-quality specifics.", "timestamp": "1402087463"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662529034382", "anchor": "fb-662529034382", "service": "fb", "text": "@Elliot: \"being unduly demanding of the advocates who are trying to start a discussion\"
It also matters how long the discussion has been going on. The poly marriage discussion is newish, so it doesn't bother me too much that the advocates haven't decided, say, whether they want group marriage or multiple pairwise marriage. Wages for Housework goes back to the 70s so I'd hope they'd have settled more details.", "timestamp": "1402087633"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1402088625"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662536594232", "anchor": "fb-662536594232", "service": "fb", "text": "@Arthur: \"I am a big fan of deciding *to* do something before deciding *how* to do it\"
As with Elliot, I'm not sure this is much of a distinction. We could say \"improve the situation of women\" is the goal, and \"wages for housework\" is the method. Or we could say \"wages for housework\" is the goal and \"give each carer $X\" is the method. Or we could say \"give each carer $X\" is the goal and \"give them prepaid debit cards\" is the method. At each step as we go from a vague sense of what we want towards more concrete implementation we're choosing one implementation over others, and you need to compare candidate implementations against each other to end up somewhere good.", "timestamp": "1402090041"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662640865272", "anchor": "fb-662640865272", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff, to your questions I would add: If the government is willing to pay me or my spouse to do my housework, will they also be willing to pay someone else to do my housework?", "timestamp": "1402165234"}, {"author": "David Chudzicki", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662640960082", "anchor": "fb-662640960082", "service": "fb", "text": "If not, the proposal seems like it might be actively anti-feminist: It's creating incentives for women (who, as they note, would be less likely to work outside the home or to have higher-paying jobs outside the home) to continue working inside the home.", "timestamp": "1402165320"}, {"author": "Christopher", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/662517702092?comment_id=662701518722", "anchor": "fb-662701518722", "service": "fb", "text": "This sounds like a engineer's approach to public policy. In the sense that walking through typical scenarios, extreme cases, and failure modes would a basic first step before starting a project. But for a similar approach to work the institutions for setting agendas, goals, timetables, etc. need to be somewhat similar. I'm not sure if they are...", "timestamp": "1402200998"}]}