{"items": [{"author": "Peter", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922728861842", "anchor": "fb-922728861842", "service": "fb", "text": "Wouldn\u2019t it sound kinda funny or too loud to have the reflections off the ceiling so close?", "timestamp": "1516770188"}, {"author": "David", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922728861842&reply_comment_id=922740393732", "anchor": "fb-922728861842_922740393732", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I had a similar thought when I read \"take the legs off\". Wouldn't the piano sound very different with the bottom touching the lofted platform?", "timestamp": "1516778436"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922728861842&reply_comment_id=922763262902", "anchor": "fb-922728861842_922763262902", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Peter: I'm not sure", "timestamp": "1516795841"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922728861842&reply_comment_id=922763322782", "anchor": "fb-922728861842_922763322782", "service": "fb", "text": "→ David: the \"platform\" can just be joists, which shouldn't affect the sound much.", "timestamp": "1516795894"}, {"author": "Ari", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292", "anchor": "fb-922729635292", "service": "fb", "text": "How easy would it be to tune up there?", "timestamp": "1516770616"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292&reply_comment_id=922763771882", "anchor": "fb-922729635292_922763771882", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Most of piano tuning you do from the keyboard end, so that's fine. Changing a string might require a ladder.", "timestamp": "1516796307"}, {"author": "Bruno", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292&reply_comment_id=922767105202", "anchor": "fb-922729635292_922767105202", "service": "fb", "text": "→ But then you'd have to scale it. (Sorry.)", "timestamp": "1516798645"}, {"author": "Gawain", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292&reply_comment_id=922773033322", "anchor": "fb-922729635292_922773033322", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman tuning often requires some standing and reaching into the piano, particularly if you're using a temperament strip. The lid needs to be fully open to do this. You've allowed 3 feet above the bench, which would make this awkward but maybe not impossible.", "timestamp": "1516802079"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292&reply_comment_id=922793567172", "anchor": "fb-922729635292_922793567172", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Do the lid hinges have pins that can be pulled? This would allow removal of lid without fully opening lid.", "timestamp": "1516810112"}, {"author": "Gawain", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922729635292&reply_comment_id=922797559172", "anchor": "fb-922729635292_922797559172", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yes piano lids are removable", "timestamp": "1516811764"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922762983462", "anchor": "fb-922762983462", "service": "fb", "text": "Alternatively, could you put it beneath a set of removable floorboards? That would solve the problems of acoustics and how to tune it, at the expense of slightly more effort to access it each time.", "timestamp": "1516795524"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922762983462&reply_comment_id=922763462502", "anchor": "fb-922762983462_922763462502", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I'm having trouble picturing this. Are you saying build another floor on top of your existing floor, and put the piano under it?
One problem with that is in order to be able to sit while playing the piano would need to be on legs and so the same distance from the original floor, which means the space between the top of the piano and the ceiling is smaller than between the bottom of a lofted piano and the floor.", "timestamp": "1516796084"}, {"author": "Gawain", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922762983462&reply_comment_id=922779640082", "anchor": "fb-922762983462_922779640082", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Just dig a hole where the feet / pedals go", "timestamp": "1516805147"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922763472482", "anchor": "fb-922763472482", "service": "fb", "text": "Stephen Valerie", "timestamp": "1516796095"}, {"author": "Laura", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922773617152", "anchor": "fb-922773617152", "service": "fb", "text": "Anyone inspired? I have a baby grand I\u2019m giving away. (No seriously.) DM me for details.", "timestamp": "1516802271"}, {"author": "Roberta", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922773617152&reply_comment_id=922866286442", "anchor": "fb-922773617152_922866286442", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I know someone looking for one. Please PM me if it's still available!", "timestamp": "1516838172"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922800802672", "anchor": "fb-922800802672", "service": "fb", "text": "I have a vision of you and your friends gathering around the keyboard player at the piano, singing, all reading off the same sheet music. Not feasible with the piano (and keyboard player) in the sky.", "timestamp": "1516812804"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162", "anchor": "fb-922801556162", "service": "fb", "text": "I've noticed that contra dance bands need eye contact, as they play together. Piano players are even known to use a rear view mirror on the piano, to see the other musicians. Does your contra dance band depend on eye contact? Were you planning on using video cameras and monitor screens to make it possible with the piano in the sky?", "timestamp": "1516812980"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162&reply_comment_id=922816396422", "anchor": "fb-922801556162_922816396422", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I like to face people for eye contact, which is one reason I prefer a keyboard. With the Free Raisins that's also a factor, plus wanting extra sounds and consistency from place to place.
But keyboard aren't for everyone, so I was thinking some about what might be good for someone who did want a grand.", "timestamp": "1516820045"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162&reply_comment_id=922865747522", "anchor": "fb-922801556162_922865747522", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Ask Roberta about the importance of eye contact when playing piano for a contradance, in a church basement.", "timestamp": "1516837872"}, {"author": "Roberta", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162&reply_comment_id=922866041932", "anchor": "fb-922801556162_922866041932", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Michael hahaha! That was actually at a private party. In the basement. Alone. The rest of the band, the caller, and the dancers were upstairs. It was a true gig from hell.", "timestamp": "1516838011"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162&reply_comment_id=922866186642", "anchor": "fb-922801556162_922866186642", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Roberta I didn't think you were likely to have forgotten it! Sorry I got one of the details wrong.", "timestamp": "1516838068"}, {"author": "Roberta", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=922801556162&reply_comment_id=922866635742", "anchor": "fb-922801556162_922866635742", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I've got (and told) so many gig from hell stories it's easy to confuse them. The worst part of that one was not being able to hear them. Hearing is more important than seeing in my experience.", "timestamp": "1516838309"}, {"author": "Brian", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114156500057804356924", "anchor": "gp-1516818285189", "service": "gp", "text": "I think if you don't have space for it, you probably don't have the soundproofing either and would be better off with a digital piano? (I'm quite satisfied with mine.)", "timestamp": 1516818285}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1516819244459", "service": "gp", "text": "@Brian\n I don't know; in my dad's house for example they have an upright piano and I think would be happy to have a grand all things being equal, but giving over most of a whole room to one isn't a good use of space. I would expect this to be the case in most single-family houses.", "timestamp": 1516819244}, {"author": "Brian", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114156500057804356924", "anchor": "gp-1516825642703", "service": "gp", "text": "Well, another issue is that real pianos need to be tuned pretty often and many people don't have it done. I'd rather play a digital piano than a badly out-of-tune upright.", "timestamp": 1516825642}, {"author": "Daniel", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/113952791760990667476", "anchor": "gp-1516827050906", "service": "gp", "text": "I'm pretty sure pianos aren't optimized for how they sound for below. It might mess up the acoustics.\n
\nIMO, keyboards are in almost all practical respects better than real pianos these days.", "timestamp": 1516827050}, {"author": "Ismael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=937941315962", "anchor": "fb-937941315962", "service": "fb", "text": "Louis Abraham pour l'appart \u00e0 Z\u00fcrich", "timestamp": "1524089207"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978828392932", "anchor": "fb-978828392932", "service": "fb", "text": "Alternatively, there's https://www.klavins-pianos.com/products/model-450i/", "timestamp": "1548361057"}, {"author": "Jim", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978828392932&reply_comment_id=978854355902", "anchor": "fb-978828392932_978854355902", "service": "fb", "text": "→ That seems like overkill. Wouldn't a Chernobieff be sufficient? http://chernobieffpiano.com/mammoth-vcg-piano/", "timestamp": "1548369470"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978828392932&reply_comment_id=978858826942", "anchor": "fb-978828392932_978858826942", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jim now *that's* an upright!", "timestamp": "1548371774"}, {"author": "Mac", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978842235192", "anchor": "fb-978842235192", "service": "fb", "text": "Unconventional thinking is useful.", "timestamp": "1548361886"}, {"author": "Patrick", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843013632", "anchor": "fb-978843013632", "service": "fb", "text": "So this is how pianos keep falling on cartoon characters...", "timestamp": "1548362524"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042", "anchor": "fb-978843308042", "service": "fb", "text": "Peter is right: it would sound like shit. any piano, but especially a grand, needs a lot of space, and especially overhead, to sound properly. i've recorded them in a zillion environments, and spent 5 years searching for and buying an expensive home to house one when i was a recording engineer; you can take my word on this.", "timestamp": "1548362794"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978843936782", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978843936782", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Bob you might need to design some of the internals upside down, but it really seems to me that if you can get a good sound with 3ft below and 7ft above then you should be able to get a good sound with 7ft below and 3ft above.", "timestamp": "1548363376"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978845997652", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978845997652", "service": "fb", "text": "→ what i'm saying is 7' is not enough. you Can't get good sound with that.", "timestamp": "1548364706"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978846167312", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978846167312", "service": "fb", "text": "→ although 7' above is better than the usual 4' above that's achievable in most houses.", "timestamp": "1548364894"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978846197252", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978846197252", "service": "fb", "text": "→ 15', and with no 90-degree angles, and you're starting to get there.", "timestamp": "1548364960"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978858782032", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978858782032", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Bob it sounds like you're saying \"a grand piano in a room with a <15ft ceiling isn't going to sound good\", and sure, it won't sound its best. But I initially took you to be saying \"given a room, moving the piano from close to the floor to close to the ceiling isn't going to sound as good\" and I can't tell if you're still saying that?", "timestamp": "1548371688"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978843308042&reply_comment_id=978883537422", "anchor": "fb-978843308042_978883537422", "service": "fb", "text": "→ with the lid open i would say that.", "timestamp": "1548386784"}, {"author": "Perrine", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978845249152", "anchor": "fb-978845249152", "service": "fb", "text": "Immediately made me think of what Frank Lloyd Wright did in his home and studio. See piano on left in room. Second picture is the piano half suspended over the stairwell behind the room going to the first floor.", "timestamp": "1548364146"}, {"author": "unknown", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ unknown", "timestamp": "-1"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978845249152&reply_comment_id=978847604432", "anchor": "fb-978845249152_978847604432", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yes, Frank Lloyd Wright did lots of things which looked cool at first glance, but were actually not good ideas.", "timestamp": "1548365724"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978845249152&reply_comment_id=978859370852", "anchor": "fb-978845249152_978859370852", "service": "fb", "text": "→ David ideas for the dead space off your living room?", "timestamp": "1548372241"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978896790862", "anchor": "fb-978896790862", "service": "fb", "text": "It's been done: http://artjourneypath.blogspot.com/.../art-exploding...", "timestamp": "1548397536"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978896790862&reply_comment_id=978896815812", "anchor": "fb-978896790862_978896815812", "service": "fb", "text": "→ That's actually this: https://www.tate.org.uk/.../horn-concert-for-anarchy-t07517", "timestamp": "1548397582"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978896790862&reply_comment_id=978896860722", "anchor": "fb-978896790862_978896860722", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Another installation of the same piece: https://www.artfund.org/.../artwork/7130/concert-for-anarchy", "timestamp": "1548397741"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/922728642282?comment_id=978896790862&reply_comment_id=978914959452", "anchor": "fb-978896790862_978914959452", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Michael doesn't look playable", "timestamp": "1548420875"}]}