{"items": [{"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653343552162", "anchor": "fb-653343552162", "service": "fb", "text": "sometimes, peak usage is supplied well by solar panels: Air conditioning is used on hot, sunny days, optimal for solar panels.
I know this is the case out in Arizona, not sure about new england.", "timestamp": "1396012607"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653343936392", "anchor": "fb-653343936392", "service": "fb", "text": "@Danner: Yes, sometimes it works out, and with solar it's more likely to then, say, with wind. But maintaining flexible plants and a grid to cope with the times when it doesn't is still very expensive.", "timestamp": "1396012866"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653344126012", "anchor": "fb-653344126012", "service": "fb", "text": "Absolutely. I actually looked for a footnote/link, I kinda knew you knew what I said, you usually are rather robust with your tangents.", "timestamp": "1396013003"}, {"author": "Drew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653344979302", "anchor": "fb-653344979302", "service": "fb", "text": "Add a relationship between peaking plant and flexible plant. P=last kW delivered into system via traditional production (in NC think coal). F=where that last kW goes if not used on grid OR comes from grid demand jumps (or solar suddenly drops).", "timestamp": "1396013740"}, {"author": "Drew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653345059142", "anchor": "fb-653345059142", "service": "fb", "text": "The flexible plant is a hydro electric plant where they can pump water uphill to store it for future production.", "timestamp": "1396013798"}, {"author": "Paul", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653345318622", "anchor": "fb-653345318622", "service": "fb", "text": "This is an interesting topic. You really have to look at this problem regionally which, in this case, is through ISO-New England. They have an enormous amount of information on their web site, including fuel mix (natural gas and nuclear are the two largest sources of fuel for electricity, renewables make up about 9%). Our electricity bills divide the charges between generation and transmission. Transmission is pretty fixed. Generation is a competitive market. ISO requires certain plants to stay in operation and charges us all an RMR (reliability must run) fee. These plants only become operational during peak demand...typically some heat wave in August. Check out additional information here: http://isoexpress.iso-ne.com/guest-hub;jsessionid...", "timestamp": "1396014094"}, {"author": "Drew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653345348562", "anchor": "fb-653345348562", "service": "fb", "text": "SO, net metering at 1-2% total has no real effect on base production requirements other than reducing production at the LEAST efficient facilities. We are saving (and thereby traditional customers) money. At 90% solar, yes, there would need to be a \"base load fee\". But I bet we could push solar to 10% with only economic gain to system (see production/consumption alignment argument above). But what about 30%? 31%? We need \"grid calculus\" to answer that Q. But I'll bet my own grid tie 10% is safe.", "timestamp": "1396014114"}, {"author": "Paul", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653345573112", "anchor": "fb-653345573112", "service": "fb", "text": "As for renewables, the ISO does take production of renewables into account when making forecasts for energy production. Energy conservation - the \"first\" fuel - and renewables are deducted from the energy forecasts so expanding renewables can suppress the need for electricity but makes energy forecasting more complicated due to the vagaries of sun and wind production. See this article: http://articles.courant.com/.../hc-iso-new-england-0913...", "timestamp": "1396014366"}, {"author": "Brad", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/116032343632043704302", "anchor": "gp-1396014440572", "service": "gp", "text": "Lots of studies have been done on the rate impacts of net metering, and figuring out the costs vs. benefits is not so simple. See\u00a0\nhttp://www.law.berkeley.edu/files/The_Statewide_Benefits_of_Net-Metering_in_CA_Weissman_and_Johnson.pdf\n for example.", "timestamp": 1396014440}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653346770712", "anchor": "fb-653346770712", "service": "fb", "text": "Drew, I think that's right, and when net metering not being sustainable is the bottleneck, it'll be the right problem to have.
Jeff, to use a programming metaphor(I'm sure there's better ones) caching isn't sustainable, eventually you run into overhead. Does that mean you should never cache things? Nope, but you deal with the low hanging fruit first, as it is the most efficient use of your time.", "timestamp": "1396015387"}, {"author": "Phillip", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653347933382", "anchor": "fb-653347933382", "service": "fb", "text": "Why do you say gas turbines are inefficient? If they are,why? This would seem like low hanging fruit for energy generators to save money. YOu should also note that when the business was split the energy companies became somewhat less able to do preemptive tree pruning, which led to the wide spread black outs a few years ago. I have noticed that Lexington, for instance, has taken on this task. IN this game it is who can push costs on to who. It is one of my many reasons for hating Cape wind, which doesn't make economic sense and is driving up costs considerably.", "timestamp": "1396016332"}, {"author": "Robin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653349540162", "anchor": "fb-653349540162", "service": "fb", "text": "Seems like there is an easy solution to this.
Set a new price for a kWh of energy every day (or even every hour). I think power companies already charge a different rate every month. If everybody has solar panels, they'll have to pay a lot on cloudy days and not get much money on sunny days", "timestamp": "1396017312"}, {"author": "David German", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/111229345142780712481", "anchor": "gp-1396017939386", "service": "gp", "text": "Could you explain a little more about the terms of the deal you were offered? I've heard about other companies that install the panels and take a percentage of the value they produce. This sounds different. ", "timestamp": 1396017939}, {"author": "David", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114866247689691019800", "anchor": "gp-1396018636230", "service": "gp", "text": "We bought panels a few years ago, and our municipal power company (in Wakefield) uses a slightly different version of net metering.\n
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\nYour monthly bill in MA is required to be broken out as generation charge vs. distribution charge. \u00a0Power I deliver to the grid gets me a credit for the generation charge ($0.0983/kwh), but not the distribution charge ($0.0442/kwh). \u00a0On top of that, there's a monthly customer fee. \u00a0I have to deliver significantly more power than I consume in order to break even (which I've managed once in ~2.5 years of owning the panels).\n
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\nI'd have to assume that similar approaches will start to see wider adoption as residential generation increases.", "timestamp": 1396018636}, {"author": "Matt", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/113951350991359002027", "anchor": "gp-1396019042678", "service": "gp", "text": "@David\n So, dumb question: why wouldn't one just not feed back into the grid so as to avoid the monthly customer fee? Or is that payable even if you take grid from the power, in which case isn't it unfair to need the feedback to cover it?", "timestamp": 1396019042}, {"author": "David", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/114866247689691019800", "anchor": "gp-1396020992785", "service": "gp", "text": "@Matt\n\u00a0I'd have to find bills from before we got the panels installed, but I believe the customer fee applies to all customers, regardless of whether they're doing local generation or not.\n
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\nAs to why they do it that way, I'm guessing partially because of local generation, and partially so that they have a source of funding tied to customer count, not usage.", "timestamp": 1396020992}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653357648912", "anchor": "fb-653357648912", "service": "fb", "text": "There already are marginal prices calculated for every 5 minute interval, but interfacing with that system would be complex.", "timestamp": "1396022072"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653361346502", "anchor": "fb-653361346502", "service": "fb", "text": "@Phillip: gas turbines are inefficient compared to other generators, but they're also able to change their power output very quickly. It's less a matter of pour design than one of optimizing within constraints.", "timestamp": "1396024337"}, {"author": "Phillip", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653361481232", "anchor": "fb-653361481232", "service": "fb", "text": "Do you mean oil and coal and nuclear?", "timestamp": "1396024429"}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653362843502", "anchor": "fb-653362843502", "service": "fb", "text": "Note: there are different types of gas plants. Peaking turbines (that are basically like plane engines) are pretty inefficient, but combined cycles (turbines with heat recovery units tacked onto the end) can be very efficient, especially new models. Oil is almost always less efficient. For approximations, consider http://en.wikipedia.org/.../Cost_of_electricity_by_source...", "timestamp": "1396025212"}, {"author": "Phillip", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653363277632", "anchor": "fb-653363277632", "service": "fb", "text": "Ben Does New England have mostly the inefficient flexible type? It would explain a lot about our cost of electricity. I suspect this is the case because they probably really needed the flexibility which the other sources weren't giving them.", "timestamp": "1396025460"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653364430322", "anchor": "fb-653364430322", "service": "fb", "text": "Nothing about the energy industry is sustainable, given the global growth of fossil fuel use and diminishing supply of oil. Environmental laws change with every administration. New tech and science is disruptive. So I am also wary about 20 year contracts, not because of the plan being unsustainable, but the whole system being in flux.
That said, New England is crunchy, and Massachusetts has some of the most pro-renewable energy policy in the country. That is almost guaranteed to not change.
\" The power company will have to raise rates on the remaining consumers to pay for their infrastructure and at those higher rates even more people will switch to solar.\".
Gross oversimplification on many fronts. But yeah. Energy infrastructure has to change. Vermont already messed up in rushing wind farms but not providing sufficient transmission, then trying to blame ISO-NE last summer. Realize also household are only roughly 1/3 of consumption of energy. Businesses are also jumping on board solar. Things will change.", "timestamp": "1396026157"}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653364450282", "anchor": "fb-653364450282", "service": "fb", "text": "My noncompete prevents me from going into too much detail on this sort of question for another 4 months or so, but I think the chart and article below are telling.
http://c.o0bg.com/.../Business/Images/22electricity-8381.jpg
http://www.bostonglobe.com/.../B3m6a0ABuLTF7xr.../story.html", "timestamp": "1396026173"}, {"author": "Benjamin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653364699782", "anchor": "fb-653364699782", "service": "fb", "text": "First--gas turbines can be made much more efficient compared to other traditional combustion power plants by adding a second cycle. This is likely to be the new norm given new EPA regulations about the ratio of energy to carbon, though older plants largely aren't equipped with this technology.", "timestamp": "1396026296"}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653364759662", "anchor": "fb-653364759662", "service": "fb", "text": "Also, reemphasizing Ron: Nothing about the power grid is sustainable on its own, the system is always in flux.", "timestamp": "1396026317"}, {"author": "Benjamin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653365243692", "anchor": "fb-653365243692", "service": "fb", "text": "Second--The electric company is actually incentivized to want you to produce solar power to dump into the grid for two . 1) Absolutely correct about the load profile that dictates that solar is really helpful in producing extra electricity during peak consumption hours (i.e., during the day). Perhaps a missing point there is that turning power plants on and off (dispatched is the technical term) is really inefficient in every way, including consumption of fuel. So utilities don't like to dispatch power generating units (PGUs) if they don't have to, in order to save money on their fuel costs. 2) The state's Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) which mandate that a certain percentage of all the power used in the grid be from renewable sources. Failing to meet the RPS minimum results in big fines. This is why utilities offer energy efficiency and renewable energy incentives in the first place. Now, you can argue that all this does is increase the cost for the Utility to run its business, which they end up passing on to the consumer in the form of rate increases, but that's the way it's done.", "timestamp": "1396026565"}, {"author": "Benjamin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653365682812", "anchor": "fb-653365682812", "service": "fb", "text": "OH, and the solar company that made you the offer to install solar panels on your roof is likely just doing so because they're looking to collect and cash in Solar Renewable Energy Credits (SRECs), a form of incentive which has a pretty complicated little marketplace around it. Again it's money out of one pocket and into the other, but the people who designed the program would probably argue that it's worthwhile to aid the development and deployment of renewable energy technologies.", "timestamp": "1396026815"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1396054463617", "service": "gp", "text": "@David German\n\u00a0\"Could you explain a little more about the terms of the deal you were offered?\"\n
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\nThey install the system, they pay all the costs of the system, they own the system. \u00a0We agree to pay them 10.5 cents per kWh the system produces, rising at 2.9% a year, for 20 years, with additional years on a year-to-year basis if we wish.", "timestamp": 1396054463}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653413352282", "anchor": "fb-653413352282", "service": "fb", "text": "@Danner: \"when net metering not being sustainable is the bottleneck, it'll be the right problem to have\"
I don't think we should just drop net metering now or anything, but from the perspective of \"should we sign this 20 year contract where we only come out ahead if net metering stays around\" I'm going to say \"no\".", "timestamp": "1396055924"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1396092814244", "service": "gp", "text": "@Lucas\n\u00a0\"I'm not sure why any interested parties would opt for that deal when they can present the same business case to a bank, get the same 20-year loan this company will use to finance the installation, and hire a contractor to install a system that they'll own free and clear.\"\n
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\nI mostly agree, but there are a few advantages:\n
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\n* The company has experience setting these up so it should be less work for them than it would be for you.\n
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\n* The company may have economies of scale.\n
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\n* The company knows how to determine if it's worth it economically and assumes the risk that it's not. \u00a0Doing it yourself you might install a system on a marginal location where it would generate very little power.\n
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\n* The company takes the risk that the system fails or needs expensive repairs.", "timestamp": 1396092814}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653448601642", "anchor": "fb-653448601642", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff yes, you don't need to agree with this specific implementation of solar on your house. I don't think anyone is questioning your specific case here.", "timestamp": "1396100982"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=653450817202", "anchor": "fb-653450817202", "service": "fb", "text": "At the local level, there are other options for Solar in between the extremes of a plan like the one you describe and doing it yourself. You should talk to Alec, and if you don't know him, I should introduce you.", "timestamp": "1396102848"}, {"author": "David German", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/111229345142780712481", "anchor": "gp-1396208642063", "service": "gp", "text": "@Jeff Kaufman\n\u00a0\"The company knows how to determine if it's worth it economically and assumes the risk that it's not.\"\n
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\nThat would be a big plus, but isn't this company is asking \nyou\n to assume all the future price risk anyway?", "timestamp": 1396208642}, {"author": "David German", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/111229345142780712481", "anchor": "gp-1396208673776", "service": "gp", "text": "Also, I vaguely recall that \n@Gavin\n\u00a0was able to lease his roof to a solar company under less alarming terms.", "timestamp": 1396208673}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1396221276139", "service": "gp", "text": "@David German\n\u00a0\"isn't this company is asking you to assume all the future price risk anyway?\"\n
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\nWe'd be agreeing to buy all the power it produces, so we have an opportunity-cost risk that power costs will fall, but the company keeps the risk that the system won't produce very much power.", "timestamp": 1396221276}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1396221514339", "service": "gp", "text": "Update: we actually decided to do it after all. We redid the numbers, and the cost savings compared to our current power system are large enough to make it worth it to take the risk of net metering going away.", "timestamp": 1396221514}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://plus.google.com/103013777355236494008", "anchor": "gp-1396239775614", "service": "gp", "text": "@Lucas\n\u00a0\"Is your contract for a system with a specified power rating?\"\n
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\n2.5kW", "timestamp": 1396239775}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765911540012", "anchor": "fb-765911540012", "service": "fb", "text": "Nevada just got rid of net metering, including for existing residential rooftop solar installs: http://www.marketwatch.com/.../is-this-sunny-state-trying...", "timestamp": "1452279182"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765914923232", "anchor": "fb-765914923232", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff, net metering is not sustainable as-is, but nothing about our energy plan is as-is. I find that to be thus not a compelling sufficient reason to skip out on solar.
On the contrary, the deeper and broader the solar penetration, the more market incentives there are to reform our power grid. Further, solar panels provide power during peak use times, when our capacity is strained the most. Consequently, solar impacts our overall energy costs in a direct manner.
While I appreciate you understanding and explaining the complications of behind-the-meter solar, I wish you'd done some more research before posting this.", "timestamp": "1452280917"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765915117842", "anchor": "fb-765915117842", "service": "fb", "text": "Nevada and Arizona are examples of GOP run states with oil companies in their pockets. Their solution to net metering is awful. Contrast it with California.
You might read Hampshire Gazette's recent article \"Like Night and Day: How Two States' Utilities Approach Solar\".", "timestamp": "1452281050"}, {"author": "Benjamin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765918710642", "anchor": "fb-765918710642", "service": "fb", "text": "I'm not convinced one way or the other, but I find this fascinating!", "timestamp": "1452283396"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765920377302", "anchor": "fb-765920377302", "service": "fb", "text": "@Ron: Whether net metering will continue remains an important consideration for deciding whether to install solar, and Nevada removing it is a bad sign.", "timestamp": "1452284574"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765921150752", "anchor": "fb-765921150752", "service": "fb", "text": "Nevada is irrelevant for a variety of reasons.
1. They are a regulated utility. New England - and most of the US - is deregulated and operate market-based.
2. As noted, Nevada is a red state, and red states are making a lot of fossil-fuel centric decisions. And other dumb energy decisions. This is not in norm with the majority of the nation, nor is that sustainable, especially given the recent Paris climate treaty.
3. Nevada is far less population than California. California is taking a vastly different approach. Heck, Massachusetts is far more populated than Nevada. Short version: unless it's about nuclear testing or storage, gambling, or deserts, I really don't need to pay attention to Nevada.", "timestamp": "1452285104"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765921235582", "anchor": "fb-765921235582", "service": "fb", "text": "Using Nevada as an example, and you may as well declare that coal power is here to stay. #irrelevant.", "timestamp": "1452285150"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765926789452", "anchor": "fb-765926789452", "service": "fb", "text": "@Ron: Right now in MA, if you use 1,000 kwh and produce 900 kwh then the power company charges you the same monthly amount as someone who only uses 100 kwh. What odds would you give for this holding true for 2015-installed residential rooftop solar over the next 20 years?", "timestamp": "1452289096"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765927647732", "anchor": "fb-765927647732", "service": "fb", "text": "\"The power company\"
Which one? Different companies have different packages. The one you originally wrote about is where they own the panels, and share the revenue with you, essentially. What you're talking about is homeowner-owned panels. The point is that what's true for one \"power company\" may not be true for another. And by \"power company\" you could mean a distributor like Eversource, or a third-party solar provider, or a third-party seller.
In 20 years? It's hard to predict past 5 or 10 with *any* technology. We make the best guesses we can. I understand you ask about 20 years because a lot of solar plans talk about that timeframe.
But let's look at some big factors.
In MA, I'd say it's safe to say we'll still be a liberal hippie state and supporting consumers using solar power. That alone makes me bullish on solar in MA.
Globally, we will feel more and more effects on global warming in 20 years, and this will drive government and economic incentives to greener energy. So solar is looking even better.
Current technology wise, wind generation will keep expanding, and solar is a nice compliment, since a lot of wind is overnight.
Looking forward technology wise, battery tech is getting a serious boost in investment, and while I don't think we'll make an enormous breakthrough to solve our distributed power challenge, I do think it will make having distributed generation cheaper.
So, consider cost/risk analysis of solar panels. People are taking much bigger risks with spending 6-digits on higher ed, or getting married, or buying a house. Home solar is a pretty good benefit/risk, compared to these other huge risks people take.", "timestamp": "1452289813"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765937298392", "anchor": "fb-765937298392", "service": "fb", "text": "\"Which [power company]? Different companies have different packages. The one you originally wrote about is where they own the panels, and share the revenue with you, essentially. What you're talking about is homeowner-owned panels.\"
Whether you buy the panels yourself or commit to buying the power from the panels someone else puts on your roof you're still dependent on net metering to make the economics work out. So by \"the power company\" I mean the one that has run wires to your house and is currently obligated to charge you only for the difference between what you use and what you produce. I believe that's the distributor?
\"Home solar is a pretty good benefit/risk, compared to these other huge risks people take.\"
Comparing to other risks is a weird way to do this. If you have some money you can choose to invest it in rooftop solar, index funds, or something else. Rooftop solar comes out ahead for many houses if everything stays where it is, but if net metering went away you'd lose big, so I'm trying to get a sense of how likely that is. You seem to think it's so unlikely that it's not even worth considering?", "timestamp": "1452296280"}, {"author": "Jesse", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765942812342", "anchor": "fb-765942812342", "service": "fb", "text": "Don't have a lot to add at the moment, but these two articles helped me understand the issues better:
http://www.vox.com/.../8808545/wind-solar-grid-integration
http://www.vox.com/.../economic-limitations-wind-solar
Generally in favor of more flexible power grids, better energy storage, and more renewable solar/wind energy... though it looks like achieving those may prove tricky.", "timestamp": "1452300477"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765944124712", "anchor": "fb-765944124712", "service": "fb", "text": "\"If net metering went away\"
But you've provided zero reasons why it'd go away, other than Nevada. And I've been over that.
The sky could fall, too, but I don't plan for that.
True, it could go away, buy again, this is Massachusetts. If net metering goes away, I'd be shocked if it weren't replaced with something at least as good.", "timestamp": "1452301513"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765945731492", "anchor": "fb-765945731492", "service": "fb", "text": "@Ron: It didn't go away randomly in Nevada, it went away because it's the governing requiring the power company to make non solar users heavily subsidize solar ones, and that could get unpopular even here if people learned more about it.", "timestamp": "1452302935"}, {"author": "Ron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/653343247772?comment_id=765966604662", "anchor": "fb-765966604662", "service": "fb", "text": "I work for the power company. You don't need to explain the stated reasons for me. And I feel like you haven't actually responded to any of my points.", "timestamp": "1452316242"}]}