{"items": [{"author": "Jan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998929410332", "anchor": "fb-998929410332", "service": "fb", "text": "Everest Witman, the guitarist in Nova, was superb at Swing into Summer. Strong, driving, plenty loud but dynamically varied as well. Max Newman is another great talent ...", "timestamp": "1560973581"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998929410332&reply_comment_id=998929570012", "anchor": "fb-998929410332_998929570012", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jan I've enjoyed dancing to both Everest and Max's playing a lot, but I'm confused about the reference. Are you giving them as examples of guitar players who are doing interesting things, or as people who use vocals while playing, or something else?", "timestamp": "1560973707"}, {"author": "Jan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998929410332&reply_comment_id=998929629892", "anchor": "fb-998929410332_998929629892", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Not directly related to the vocals idea, just good players in small bands.", "timestamp": "1560973743"}, {"author": "Ryan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102", "anchor": "fb-998930024102", "service": "fb", "text": "Believe Tea & Whiskey incorporated something like this into their playing when I saw them at Catapult a few years back. Karin's voice became another instrument, but didn't use words. (I think I remember her doing similar sitting in on some of PeM's sets in their late years, too, but my memory is a bit fuzzy on that.)", "timestamp": "1560973808"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998930243662", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998930243662", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Karin is great at singing during sets!", "timestamp": "1560973923"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998930657832", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998930657832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Looking some I found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxKg6myVXdQ&t=494s . She's a very good singer!
I'm imagining something where the vocal part is (a) less vocal sounding and (b) more textural/atmospheric/rhythmic, less central. Like, at least in that video the vocals replace the fiddle and fill the melody role, while what I'm imagining doing is as an aspect of the rhythm role?", "timestamp": "1560974134"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998930752642", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998930752642", "service": "fb", "text": "→ (but this is just based on listening to that one video)", "timestamp": "1560974156"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998931151842", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998931151842", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff, yeah, Karin has an extremely high voice that she uses to great effect. Sometimes it's more atmospheric, but I'm not sure I would go so far as to say it contributes to the \"rhythm\" section of the overall sound that dancers are getting. It's been literally since that video was taken that I've heard them though, so I'm not sure!", "timestamp": "1560974284"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998931511122", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998931511122", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Angela Not saying it doesn't have rhythm to it! But it feels like it's fitting into their sound in a similar way that a fiddle would, as opposed to how a bass, piano, drumkit, or trombone might.", "timestamp": "1560974379"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998931830482", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998931830482", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Right, I agree. I've heard Alex use his voice much more like a rhythm instrument in the Teacups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEh9Y5K6U4I", "timestamp": "1560974508"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998931915312", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998931915312", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Angela there also tons of things in that direction in the broader acapella world", "timestamp": "1560974584"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=998932124892", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_998932124892", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yes! But this recording has LIVE DANCERS in it! Not contra dancers, but shoot, you could easily dance a contra to that set.", "timestamp": "1560974683"}, {"author": "Karin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930024102&reply_comment_id=999089015482", "anchor": "fb-998930024102_999089015482", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Oh my gosh y\u2019all haha I\u2019m flattered \ud83d\ude2d\u2764\ufe0f", "timestamp": "1561061386"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930034082", "anchor": "fb-998930034082", "service": "fb", "text": "tagging people who might have thought some along these lines: Christopher Jamie Julie John-Michael", "timestamp": "1560973812"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930163822", "anchor": "fb-998930163822", "service": "fb", "text": "So, as someone who's now performed in several mouth-music focused contra bands in different contexts (and as a caller!) I can say that singing while calling is happening is okay sometimes! The main factors are:
+ Does your singing have words? If yes, it's harder/not a good idea to sing while the caller is calling. If no, it's totally possible for dancers to distinguish musical mouth-sounds from directive ones.
+ Is your voice similar or different to the caller's? Maybe don't pick sets where you sing early-on if you have a similar vocal range to the caller.
+ Related to the previous question, are you planning on modding your voice at all? Any sort of digital filters you run your vocal channel through will help to separate it from the caller's instructions.", "timestamp": "1560973882"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930163822&reply_comment_id=998931007132", "anchor": "fb-998930163822_998931007132", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \"Does your singing have words?\" -- not planning on it
\"Any sort of digital filters you run your vocal channel through will help to separate it from the caller's instructions.\" -- yes, thinking of doing exactly this, though I don't know much about how to do it", "timestamp": "1560974235"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930163822&reply_comment_id=998931730682", "anchor": "fb-998930163822_998931730682", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Daniel and I were playing around with running my voice through an octave pedal and a few other guitar pedals he has. The hardest thing for me was distinguishing the sounds that were coming from the amp from those sounds in my own head; it's not like playing an electric guitar where you can just put on good noise-cancelling headphones and know exactly what you're getting. If I experiment with this more, I would need to spend a lot more time experimenting with sounds by recording what I'd gotten, then listening back.", "timestamp": "1560974419"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930163822&reply_comment_id=998931825492", "anchor": "fb-998930163822_998931825492", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Angela I wonder if setting up a 10s delay would work well. Sing something short, listen back to yourself, round and round.", "timestamp": "1560974506"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998930163822&reply_comment_id=998932015112", "anchor": "fb-998930163822_998932015112", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Ooh, that could work! Another complicating factor (which might not be so hard if you're already very good at thinking of yourself as an instrumentalist, as opposed to a vocalist) is that -- at least for me -- listening back to recordings of your own voice singing is sometimes hard to evaluate subjectively, anyway, even without adding filters and whatnot.", "timestamp": "1560974641"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998932948242", "anchor": "fb-998932948242", "service": "fb", "text": "As far as altering the voice away from the caller, the diversity is kinda already established. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gHgXmMXvAg", "timestamp": "1560975227"}, {"author": "John-Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998935323482", "anchor": "fb-998935323482", "service": "fb", "text": "Christa Burch does \"instrumental\" singing in a few Syncopaths sets, also P e-M had at least one set. (Beth Cohen's)", "timestamp": "1560976237"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998935323482&reply_comment_id=998979669612", "anchor": "fb-998935323482_998979669612", "service": "fb", "text": "→ PeM also had didgeridoo, which is a very particular kind of vocals with effects :D", "timestamp": "1560994664"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998935323482&reply_comment_id=999012688442", "anchor": "fb-998935323482_999012688442", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Ruthan would you call a jawharp vocals with effects?
The sound generation for a didgeridoo is lip buzzing, like a brass instrument, not vocal cords.", "timestamp": "1561027813"}, {"author": "Ruthan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998935323482&reply_comment_id=999295217252", "anchor": "fb-998935323482_999295217252", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Oh dang. I distinctly remember having been taught that playing didgeridoo involved both buzzing and humming, but it looks like that is in and of itself a special effect.", "timestamp": "1561143908"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998935323482&reply_comment_id=999310696232", "anchor": "fb-998935323482_999310696232", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Ruthan yes, you can hum but it's not a core part of playing", "timestamp": "1561150109"}, {"author": "Avalon", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998942264572", "anchor": "fb-998942264572", "service": "fb", "text": "Chimney Swift does this too, in addition to songs with words- Cecile and I sometimes do atmospheric vocals or lilt along with the tunes instead of or in addition to playing on instruments! There's one set we have that starts with On the Danforth (in A) and ends with Epic Reel (in F# minor), and I sing a wordless descant melody that sounds good with both tunes' chords near the beginning and end of the set. Unfortunately, I don't think that set has been recorded with the singing.", "timestamp": "1560978547"}, {"author": "Mandy", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998945019052", "anchor": "fb-998945019052", "service": "fb", "text": "I am in no way a skilled musician and only started studying music through the autoharp less than a year ago (and now uke and mando for the last 3 months). But as Emily and I start experimenting with music, and also kind of having been the rhythm player, I have been thinking about starting to learn beat boxing to do the synthesizer thing in the way Kimbra or Be Steadwell do. I am not sure how way this would work in country music though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHSGRtdvoPU", "timestamp": "1560980093"}, {"author": "Dave", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998947509062", "anchor": "fb-998947509062", "service": "fb", "text": "Some bands have members who sing a high drone on the 1 or 5 during tunes that aren't harmonically complicated, like old-time tunes. I think Eden MacAdam-Somer used to do that, and I've definitely heard it in other bands that don't come to mind at the moment. It's really more of a flavor than a way to steadily create additional sound with a single rhythm player.", "timestamp": "1560980823"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998947509062&reply_comment_id=998948452172", "anchor": "fb-998947509062_998948452172", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dave I think I remember Kate Barnes doing that?", "timestamp": "1560981306"}, {"author": "Dave", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998947509062&reply_comment_id=998950053962", "anchor": "fb-998947509062_998950053962", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yeah, she does it on occasion.", "timestamp": "1560982125"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998972489002", "anchor": "fb-998972489002", "service": "fb", "text": "I've heard Pete's Posse do this, to good effect.", "timestamp": "1560991360"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998972489002&reply_comment_id=998973387202", "anchor": "fb-998972489002_998973387202", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Hollis what do they do?", "timestamp": "1560991832"}, {"author": "Hollis", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998972489002&reply_comment_id=998977114732", "anchor": "fb-998972489002_998977114732", "service": "fb", "text": "→ vocal harmony pads and then, later, song lyrics presented in a way that you don't necessarily realize that they're there. It's kind of magically trance-like. Pete Sutherland Tristan Henderson Oliver Scanlon, am I making this up?", "timestamp": "1560993157"}, {"author": "Josh", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998986136652", "anchor": "fb-998986136652", "service": "fb", "text": "This isn't anything like contra, but touches on some of the things you were talking about, and is fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk5-G9XKbJE", "timestamp": "1560998105"}, {"author": "Samuel", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=998986136652&reply_comment_id=999388884542", "anchor": "fb-998986136652_999388884542", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Thanks for finding this Josh. I discovered her music when I was doing couple dancing at Stanford 15ish years ago.", "timestamp": "1561203025"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082", "anchor": "fb-999270352082", "service": "fb", "text": "Whistling through processing could also be interesting", "timestamp": "1561131908"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999270511762", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999270511762", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Currently waiting for Maia to begin her career as a contra dance whistler", "timestamp": "1561131956"}, {"author": "Maia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999503010832", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999503010832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I AM SO HERE FOR THIS", "timestamp": "1561249532"}, {"author": "Maia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999503030792", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999503030792", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff we've got a gig in August right??", "timestamp": "1561249538"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999503290272", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999503290272", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Maia 8/8 in Amherst! https://www.kingfisherband.com/", "timestamp": "1561249623"}, {"author": "Maia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999521883012", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999521883012", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Unless I'm very much mistaken, I think it's 8/7, but also I would love to whistle a little if that wouldn't be weird!", "timestamp": "1561260121"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999556338962", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999556338962", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Maia whoops, yes, Amherst is a Wednesday, so 8/7
For whistling, want to record something of you whistling a bit over one of the rough tracks at https://drive.google.com/open... and send it to me?", "timestamp": "1561289681"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/998928302552?comment_id=999270352082&reply_comment_id=999564083442", "anchor": "fb-999270352082_999564083442", "service": "fb", "text": "→ AAAAAHHH", "timestamp": "1561295385"}]}