{"items": [{"author": "Gianna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997599540402", "anchor": "fb-997599540402", "service": "fb", "text": "Rebecca Weiss", "timestamp": "1560204045"}, {"author": "Carol", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997601591292", "anchor": "fb-997601591292", "service": "fb", "text": "When I started contra dancing in the Twin Cities (Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN) in 1989 there was a well-established genderfree dance series there. So, genderfree contra dancing started before 1989, and in multiple locations.", "timestamp": "1560204934"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997601591292&reply_comment_id=997614440542", "anchor": "fb-997601591292_997614440542", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Edited to change the paragraph to be about the origin of Bands/Bares terms and not about gender-free contra.", "timestamp": "1560211537"}, {"author": "Robert", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997601591292&reply_comment_id=997691850412", "anchor": "fb-997601591292_997691850412", "service": "fb", "text": "→ For the record, the JP gender-free dance series actually started in September of 1988, but it might have been 1989 by the time they started using Armbands/Bare-arms (this was before my time).", "timestamp": "1560267590"}, {"author": "Dugan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997601591292&reply_comment_id=997888391542", "anchor": "fb-997601591292_997888391542", "service": "fb", "text": "→ The Wikipedia page on contra dance refers to this gender-free series as starting in 1981. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_dance", "timestamp": "1560379853"}, {"author": "Carol", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997601591292&reply_comment_id=997894374552", "anchor": "fb-997601591292_997894374552", "service": "fb", "text": "→ awesome! thanks, Dugan.", "timestamp": "1560383553"}, {"author": "Yoyo", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997603806852", "anchor": "fb-997603806852", "service": "fb", "text": "Here's a more general history of gender-free dancing from Chris Ricciotti which gives additional context: https://contra.maiamccormick.com/.../gender-free-history...", "timestamp": "1560206131"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997603806852&reply_comment_id=997701126822", "anchor": "fb-997603806852_997701126822", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I don't think the Hampshire entry there is right. In January 2017 I wrote to their organizers and was told they used Lead/Follow.
In 2015 Ron Blechner wrote to a mailing list I'm on: \"http://amherstcontra.org/ContraDanceRoleTerms.pdf
This is a copy of the spreadsheet I created a year ago to help focus the discussion. Hampshire College contributed, and used the result to poll on terms.
Larks and Elms terms are more recent than the original Hampshire used. (Also, Oaks has been suggested instead of Elms)\"", "timestamp": "1560273146"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997603806852&reply_comment_id=997701146782", "anchor": "fb-997603806852_997701146782", "service": "fb", "text": "→ So I don't think Hampshire tried Larks/Ravens then?", "timestamp": "1560273176"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997603806852&reply_comment_id=997701206662", "anchor": "fb-997603806852_997701206662", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Maia Chris", "timestamp": "1560273214"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997603806852&reply_comment_id=997701296482", "anchor": "fb-997603806852_997701296482", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Also Berkeley used Larks/Ravens in December 2014 per http://www.ruthiebyers.com/.../gender-free-berkeley...", "timestamp": "1560273295"}, {"author": "Mark", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997608312822", "anchor": "fb-997608312822", "service": "fb", "text": "I\u2019m not sure the JP community adopted the term \u201cQueer\u201d. I believe that came to be when Greta Christina Ben Foley and Robert Riley started the West coast dance. Chris Ricciotti can speak to the naming of their group, though I believe they eschewed the phrase queer at the inception of Lavender Country Folk Dancers.", "timestamp": "1560208317"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997608312822&reply_comment_id=997614146132", "anchor": "fb-997608312822_997614146132", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Changed \"queer\" to \"LGBT\"", "timestamp": "1560211358"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1560223731"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997639091142&reply_comment_id=997664200822", "anchor": "fb-997639091142_997664200822", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Wang:
* They sound like Gents/Ladies.
* Many people interpreted \"jet\" as the plane or engine and not the gem, and vehicles and engines are somewhat associated with men in our society.
* \"Jet\" also brought up associations with football teams and fictional gangs, also gendered male.
* Ruby is a common female name, while Jet would probably be a male name if it was one (Jett is a common enough male name to show up in social security administration data)", "timestamp": "1560253312"}, {"author": "Perry", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997639091142&reply_comment_id=997687309512", "anchor": "fb-997639091142_997687309512", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Football team? Ravens is also the name of a football team, and it's also a female name (though I believe that there are men named Raven as well).", "timestamp": "1560265518"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997639091142&reply_comment_id=997699569942", "anchor": "fb-997639091142_997699569942", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Perry gender associations that match up with the historical roles were more of a problem than ones the other way, so Jets is a worse conflict than Ravens.
On names, while SSA data does have some women named Raven it's 10x+ less common than Ruby.", "timestamp": "1560272367"}, {"author": "Perry", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997639091142&reply_comment_id=997711600832", "anchor": "fb-997639091142_997711600832", "service": "fb", "text": "→ OK, makes sense. Thanks!", "timestamp": "1560277831"}, {"author": "Mark", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/997597195102?comment_id=997893366572", "anchor": "fb-997893366572", "service": "fb", "text": "It was great to see the full page advert listing Larks and Ravens events in the CDSS journal today!", "timestamp": "1560382860"}]}