{"items": [{"author": "Sally", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149537731213", "anchor": "fb-10150149537731213", "service": "fb", "text": "\"I decided that the best response to privacy disappearing was not to become attached to it\"...wonderful viewpoint, Jeff...thanks for sharing your thoughts!", "timestamp": "1302625399"}, {"author": "Danner", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149566501213", "anchor": "fb-10150149566501213", "service": "fb", "text": "my biggest issue with privacy is that not much can disturb me, but not everyone is comfortable knowing or talking about all that stuff. I do not wish to offend folks, so i'm not going to advertise that I have watched faces of death or whatever, and talk about that stuff. I don't really care what people find out about, as long as it is not broadcasted to people who don't want to hear it.", "timestamp": "1302628130"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149571101213", "anchor": "fb-10150149571101213", "service": "fb", "text": "@Danner: there are two separate issues: whether data is public, and how people might find out about it. I'm not trying to talk about both here, just the first one. The second one is really complex, and is not close to solved. Rss, reddit, blogs, personal email, mailing lists, and facebook are all attempts at it (among other things).", "timestamp": "1302628557"}, {"author": "Ofer", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149636136213", "anchor": "fb-10150149636136213", "service": "fb", "text": "For a variety of reasons I think this dichotomy of privacy vs. not is flawed both in terms of what it assumes privacy is, and in terms of how to handle privacy on online services. If I had more time I'd write a counter-essay :) One of the many things I wanna write but keep not getting around to", "timestamp": "1302634382"}, {"author": "Molly", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149726241213", "anchor": "fb-10150149726241213", "service": "fb", "text": "The reason I wish to keep things private (in fb terms, for instance, relationship status) is NOT that I am ashamed of what I've done or that I am worried about people's reactions, BUT that strangers knowing certain information about me creates a false sense of INTIMACY with which I am uncomfortable. There are certain personal details which I would prefer only my close friends to know (and sometimes a wider group of acquaintances) simply because we are in a priveleged intimate relationship wherein we ought to know about the important things in our lives. I prefer not to walk around wondering how many strangers know things about my life that I haven't told them! that said, in this day and age, it has become rather impossible for things to leak to the general public, and I have learned to console myself with the fact that if I don't care enough about those people I haven't told thigns to, I shouldn't worry about what they know :)", "timestamp": "1302642062"}, {"author": "Neil", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149770976213", "anchor": "fb-10150149770976213", "service": "fb", "text": "Probably was David Brin's \"Kiln People\". He has a non-fiction book on the same subject \"The Transparent Society\". I've only read the first chapter, and his short essay version (the full book is on my to-read list). It's a cool idea, though I'm not quite sure where I come down on it (I'm leaning favorably though).", "timestamp": "1302646022"}, {"author": "Neil", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149779071213", "anchor": "fb-10150149779071213", "service": "fb", "text": "Molly, in Brin's model, you'd wouldn't have to \"[wonder] how many strangers know things about my life that I haven't told them\", because the act of accessing that information wouldn't be private either, you'd know exactly how many and who they are. He suggests that because of that by and large people would respect your \"privacy\" in much the same way as people in restaurants, generally, won't go out their way to eavesdrop on neighboring conversations.", "timestamp": "1302646813"}, {"author": "Adrian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150149787781213", "anchor": "fb-10150149787781213", "service": "fb", "text": "Hey Jeff--I don't think you know me really well, but here I am, snooping on your privacy note on facebook. The mentality of \"nothing to hide/shouldn't be ashamed,\" is fundamentally flawed and dangerous when it comes to privacy. You noted that some people might want to keep some things secret not due to their own wrongdoing. In addition, consider the amount of risk that comes with this mentality in the context of the renewal of the Patriot Act, seizure of activists by the FBI, fusion centers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_center) and their accompanying Suspicious Activity Reports, and other such less-than-benevolent violations of privacy or unchecked recording of perceived facts. These government policies put minority groups and dissenters especially and directly at risk, but they play right into a mentality of nothing-to-hide-so-why-not-be-open to the detriment of everyone's security. Just something else to chew on.", "timestamp": "1302647791"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150150153411213", "anchor": "fb-10150150153411213", "service": "fb", "text": "@Marianna: much of what makes patriot act allowed government activity be really scary is that its secret. It took years to even find out *how many* national security letters they were sending out (those are the ones where they originally said that if you received one you weren't allowed to talk to anyone about it, even as consulting a lawyer). Decreasing privacy for the government (which sometimes gets called transparency) can help limit these abuses. The current problems with overcollection of data by the government stem from having authorities be the only ones in possession of this data. If all this data and more was available to anyone it would make it easier for the government to harass muslims but it would also make it public that they were doing so.
The problem is the imbalance of information, not that it is publicly available.", "timestamp": "1302697316"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150150154321213", "anchor": "fb-10150150154321213", "service": "fb", "text": "@Marianna: I'm also not saying that disappearing privacy is a good thing (though I think it may be, on balance, once we've solved several problems where we currently have privacy based solutions). I think its coming and I'm trying to prepare for it by getting used to having less.", "timestamp": "1302697424"}, {"author": "Ofer", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150150229516213", "anchor": "fb-10150150229516213", "service": "fb", "text": "\"The problem is the imbalance of information, not that it is publicly available.\"
In this context, that's only part of it. The problem also involves a large imbalance of *power*. We give government a lot of power for good reason, and one way to balance that out is to ensure that we have more privacy and government has less. Control over your own privacy counterbanaces power, so what we need is individual privacy rights along with open government.", "timestamp": "1302705544"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150151318641213", "anchor": "fb-10150151318641213", "service": "fb", "text": "@Jake: I'm not aware of making that distinction between 'public' and 'discoverable' data. I explicitly don't make that distinction for the future, for the reasons you say.", "timestamp": "1302830145"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/notes/jeff-kaufman/giving-up-on-privacy/10150149522596213/?comment_id=10150151540441213", "anchor": "fb-10150151540441213", "service": "fb", "text": "@Jake: I see. I wasn't trying to claim that there was some kind of public non-discoverable data. Danner was concerned about people finding out things they didn't want to know (TMI). Changes in means of discovery should make it easier for people to take in available information that they are interested in and not see available information that they are not.", "timestamp": "1302864858"}]}