{"items": [{"author": "Ari", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100119818953692", "anchor": "fb-10100119818953692", "service": "fb", "text": "What would a legal heroin or cocaine industry look like?
- If it's legal to manufacture and sell, can we prevent the manufacturer from advertising it?
- Will the manufacturers be liable for damages? My impression from the current opiod litigation is that the scale of product liability here is huge and this is not an industry that a risk-averse business would like to be.
- If I am a drug dealer in a post-legalization world, can I in my personal capacity encourage people to try heroin? Can I hand out free doses to my friends?
- If we allow people to freely hand out or sell heroin to their friends, are we still going to require a prescription for birth control, sildenafil, etc?", "timestamp": "1572907219"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100119818953692&reply_comment_id=10100119878249862", "anchor": "fb-10100119818953692_10100119878249862", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I think a legal heroin industry would still need to be pretty controlled, and built from a principle of \"we should never let someone be in a position where they have had some heroin and are not able to continue having it as long as they want\".
\"If it's legal to manufacture and sell, can we prevent the manufacturer from advertising it?\"
I don't see why you'd restrict it?
\"Will the manufacturers be liable for damages?\"
Damages from \"this thing you sold me isn't actually heroin and hurt me\"? Or \"I took some and got addicted, and now I don't want to do other things\"? I'm thinking yes to the former and no to the latter.
\"can I in my personal capacity encourage people to try heroin?\"
Yes; see above on advertising.
\"Can I hand out free doses to my friends?\"
No, because you can't ensure their continued supply.", "timestamp": "1572916292"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1573013185"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100119818953692&reply_comment_id=10100120084152232", "anchor": "fb-10100119818953692_10100120084152232", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Elliot I thought we banned cigarette advertising?", "timestamp": "1573013965"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1573015270"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100119818953692&reply_comment_id=10100120109676082", "anchor": "fb-10100119818953692_10100120109676082", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Elliot we must have restricted it on billboards as well? Growing up they were everywhere", "timestamp": "1573042110"}, {"author": "Dagon", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bfB879qQiPjwK9P7Y#amfpk8Rjxxgd7oQsz", "anchor": "lw-amfpk8Rjxxgd7oQsz", "service": "lw", "text": "I don't disagree with any of this, except the implication that policy is "ours", and makes any sense on any level. IMO, drug (and criminal) policy is a weird mishmash of moralizing, bad social causality theory, top-down control intent, and profiteering. Logical arguments about what a good policy might be are rather irrelevant. ", "timestamp": 1572908889}, {"author": "Peter", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100119826288992", "anchor": "fb-10100119826288992", "service": "fb", "text": "In some European countries where people can safely acquire and use heroin, many of these people can actually hold down jobs. It\u2019s not as universally debilitating a drug as many think.", "timestamp": "1572910959"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822", "service": "fb", "text": "Jeff Kaufman I can't remember which European country(maybe Spain or Portugal) decriminalized all drugs over a decade ago. It has helped tremendously. While I'll agree that alcohol and tobacco are pretty addictive, at the end of the day you have to let people make their own decisions. \"My body, My choice\" applies to everything.", "timestamp": "1573001481"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120059391852", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120059391852", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dean what do you think about selling organs? Paid surrogacy?
Separately, what happens if we have legal heroin, someone gets severely addicted, and then isn't able to afford anymore?", "timestamp": "1573004098"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120061238152", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120061238152", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman Both of those should be 100% Legal as long as both parties are consenting adults.
Heroin addiction happens in today's society(even though its illegal). How do we handle it now?", "timestamp": "1573004772"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120064092432", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120064092432", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dean I agree on the first two, but was curious what you thought ;)
For addiction, I expect making heroin much more widely available would make addiction much worse. The way we handle it today isn't good, but multiply by 10 and it's of course far worse.", "timestamp": "1573006221"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120064671272", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120064671272", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman In a true \"free-market\", the heroin supply would depend on the demand. Just like any new business, people aren't going to invest in it unless they can make money. And honestly, how many people do you think would try Heroin if it became legal tomorrow? Answer that honestly.", "timestamp": "1573006530"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120066048512", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120066048512", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I honestly think a lot of people would try heroin if it were widely available and legal, and then would not be able to give it up.", "timestamp": "1573007178"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120067640322", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120067640322", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman so is the reason most people don't do heroin today, is because it's illegal, not due to the fact they don't want to?", "timestamp": "1573007559"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120071587412", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120071587412", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dean I think it being illegal does do a lot to keep people off it, and I expect that marijuana usage will go up as it becomes legal in more places", "timestamp": "1573008641"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120071642302", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120071642302", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I also expect that if heroin were legal it would bee substantially cheaper", "timestamp": "1573008657"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120072330922", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120072330922", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman You can't compare Marijuana to Heroin. More people die from taking selfies than die from smoking marijuana.
I would like to see you take a poll of your Facebook friends and see how many people say they would try Heroin if it become legal", "timestamp": "1573008928"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120075025522", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120075025522", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dean I don't think my FB friends are very representative of the country at large?", "timestamp": "1573009992"}, {"author": "Dean", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120075484602", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120075484602", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman And I don't think the majority of the country would try Heroin if became legal tomorrow \ud83d\ude09", "timestamp": "1573010062"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120075684202", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120075684202", "service": "fb", "text": "→ But I do agree that heroin and marijuana are very different, and people aren't going to make decisions around them in the same way. I brought up marijuana as an example of something that was accessible while illegal but that I expect to still become much more prevalent as it becomes legal in more places.", "timestamp": "1573010090"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120075798972", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120075798972", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I also wouldn't expect the majority of the country to try heroin if it became legal. But, say, 20% would still be a huge issue", "timestamp": "1573010118"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1573012727"}, {"author": "Ari", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120052919822&reply_comment_id=10100120235169592", "anchor": "fb-10100120052919822_10100120235169592", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Elliot Yes and the whole outrage at the drug companies at the moment is predicated on \"marketing is able to convince doctors and patients to try opioids and this causes people to get addicted.\"", "timestamp": "1573091673"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "→ this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1573139053"}, {"author": "Peter", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120112146132", "anchor": "fb-10100120112146132", "service": "fb", "text": "Heroin was legal for a while. The name was originally trade marked by the Beyer company. How many people used it then?", "timestamp": "1573044238"}, {"author": "Ari", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120112146132&reply_comment_id=10100120235194542", "anchor": "fb-10100120112146132_10100120235194542", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Enough to be perceived as a major problem, which is why it was made illegal.", "timestamp": "1573091684"}, {"author": "Milan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100119808734172?comment_id=10100120469779432", "anchor": "fb-10100120469779432", "service": "fb", "text": "A couple dissimilarities between the US and Portugal drug policy: https://www.enthea.net/two-dissimilarities-with-portugal...
(Portugal is often held up as a model for US drug policy)", "timestamp": "1573231016"}]}