{"items": [{"author": "Martin", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742", "service": "fb", "text": "Would someone else citing your article on this subject count?", "timestamp": "1572127378"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118295182342", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118295182342", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Martin my article is self-published, so no: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:BLPSPS", "timestamp": "1572127984"}, {"author": "Jacob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118296330042", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118296330042", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;I don't believe the guidelines there prohibit citing an article that cites your post. If a newspaper columnist references your blog post, that column is a permissible source. If I reference your blog post on my own blog, that is not, because it's still self-published.", "timestamp": "1572128742"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118297078542", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118297078542", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Jacob sure, if a newspaper wrote something that included this information or cited my post I do think it would be an allowed secondary source", "timestamp": "1572129207"}, {"author": "Jai", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118343490532", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118343490532", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;New EA Cause Area: publishing a newspaper to create citable sources for Wikipedia articles", "timestamp": "1572151038"}, {"author": "Linchuan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118347861772", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118347861772", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Kelsey", "timestamp": "1572155084"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118359463522", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118359463522", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Come on folks, this is silly", "timestamp": "1572170644"}, {"author": "Kelsey", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118293485742&reply_comment_id=10100118409208832", "anchor": "fb-10100118293485742_10100118409208832", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;following this but the easiest way to write about Jacy in Vox is to write about the allegations and I suspect this is net bad", "timestamp": "1572201350"}, {"author": "riceissa", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#KM85etEeWap2R9hNc", "anchor": "lw-KM85etEeWap2R9hNc", "service": "lw", "text": "\n<br><br>It\u2019s interesting this minor fact that, to several people including me, has seemed like an obvious omission, doesn\u2019t meet Wikipedia\u2019s standards for inclusion. But if Wikipedia had less strict standards it would be very hard to keep out false information.\n\n<br><br>Eliezer Yudkowsky has made similar distinctions when talking about scientific vs legal vs rational evidence (see this wiki page) and science vs probability theory.\n<br><br>I think there is an interesting question of \"what ought to count as evidence, if we want to produce the best online encyclopedia we can, given the flawed humans we have to write it?\" My own view is that Wikipedia's standards for evidence have become too strict in cases like this.\n", "timestamp": 1572128996}, {"author": "romeostevensit", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#nboiabGPWsvHaLvTE", "anchor": "lw-nboiabGPWsvHaLvTE", "service": "lw", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Probably, but OTOH scale somewhat determines complexity of policy.", "timestamp": 1572139591}, {"author": "MakoYass", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#Ju6Rvrnz72i4fjTkz", "anchor": "lw-Ju6Rvrnz72i4fjTkz", "service": "lw", "text": "If this post gains enough upvotes, or gets curated to the front page, is it still self-published?", "timestamp": 1572132166}, {"author": "jimrandomh", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#a9rLm6mp2gGjrZLNX", "anchor": "lw-a9rLm6mp2gGjrZLNX", "service": "lw", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Under Wikipedia&apos;s rules, yes.", "timestamp": 1572148583}, {"author": "Ben", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118369653102", "anchor": "fb-10100118369653102", "service": "fb", "text": "In many jurisdictions, you have to put a notice in a public record before changing your name. I wonder if Jacy didn't live in one of those, or if the public records are just hard to search.", "timestamp": "1572183030"}, {"author": "Jeff&nbsp;Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100118283570612?comment_id=10100118369653102&reply_comment_id=10100118380666032", "anchor": "fb-10100118369653102_10100118380666032", "service": "fb", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;Ben I'm not sure he's actually changed his name. I've seen his full name given as \"Jacy Reese Anthis\" and he might just be going by \"Firstname Middlename\"?", "timestamp": "1572189759"}, {"author": "Hamiltonian", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#CqriLXxStzMizbaQt", "anchor": "lw-CqriLXxStzMizbaQt", "service": "lw", "text": "Interestingly, the archived version of the Medium article says thatDuring his sophomore year at Brown, Reese, who then went by Jacy Reese Anthis, was expelled from the university after being accused of sexual misconduct.<br><br>Whereas the non-archived version replaces &apos;Jacy Reese Anthis&apos; by &apos;his full name&apos;.", "timestamp": 1572219155}, {"author": "Pattern", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#e22K47ThN7owCAWtB", "anchor": "lw-e22K47ThN7owCAWtB", "service": "lw", "text": "I wonder how much information Wikipedia contains which doesn't meet their standards.\n", "timestamp": 1572220465}, {"author": "Laramor", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#2AdBELMrhhutgTXrF", "anchor": "lw-2AdBELMrhhutgTXrF", "service": "lw", "text": "Upon reading on a Wikipedia &apos;talk&apos; page that the user who reverted your edit has been editing pages related to Jacy Reese almost exclusively, I noticed a curious pattern. This user, Bodole, made their first edit in early April this year. Just a week or so before, another user, Utsill, made their last edit on that encyclopedia. This edit was made... on Jacy Reese&apos;s article, and a significant fraction of Utsill&apos;s most recent edits before they decided to stop editing altogether concern Jacy (even when the edits appear to be superficially unrelated to Jacy, they often involve him on closer inspection; e.g. an edit to the &apos;effective altruism&apos; article added a line about Jacy&apos;s book, while an edit to the &apos;Huntsville, Texas&apos; article added the words &apos;Jacy Reese, writer&apos;). In addition, Utsill is also the user who reverted a previous attempt to mention Jacy&apos;s birth name, as one can see in your timeline above.<br><br>This could all be a coincidence, of course, but it seems relatively unlikely on priors. A plausible alternative explanation is that Bodole and Utsill are one and the same user.", "timestamp": 1575335879}, {"author": "jkaufman", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3vSKTfkESn54Rqmsr#hEZHfYwcCdySuarqZ", "anchor": "lw-hEZHfYwcCdySuarqZ", "service": "lw", "text": "&rarr;&nbsp;If others are looking at this: Contributions/Utsil, Contributions/Bodole\n", "timestamp": 1575315146}]}