{"items": [{"author": "Pattern", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qhmiLZFuv2WCjzHvv#8zvshk5i6KheRPLfr", "anchor": "lw-8zvshk5i6KheRPLfr", "service": "lw", "text": " At this point switching it to the correct time and teaching her she can get up if it is "7:??" would have made sense, but there was enough going on that we didn't get to it.

The simple solution. I could just leave things alone until she points out that it's weird, at which point she'll know time well enough that I can set it correctly and suggest she not get up before 7:12am.

Worst case, she notices the discrepancy and fixes it, by changing her clock, or the other clocks in the house. (Watch out for daylight savings time.)


The complicated solution is making a clock, or something that interfaces with one, so that after the time, it displays the word UP* (or AWAKE*), until bedtime, then it says SLEEP*, and the whole thing repeats.

*I'm imagining these on a clock.", "timestamp": 1570296989}, {"author": "Daniel", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114451535042", "anchor": "fb-10100114451535042", "service": "fb", "text": "Why not just get an actual ok-to-wake clock? Does this have to be homemade?", "timestamp": "1570299750"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114451535042&reply_comment_id=10100114451679752", "anchor": "fb-10100114451535042_10100114451679752", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Daniel I had assumed those were niche expensive products, but it looks like they're actually pretty common, thanks! Still sound more expensive than using a digital timer with a light, though.", "timestamp": "1570299870"}, {"author": "Daniel", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114451535042&reply_comment_id=10100114451854402", "anchor": "fb-10100114451535042_10100114451854402", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman we\u2019ve been using this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003D7KV0Q/ for years. Sabina (2.25 y) just started hers and picked up the concept in a few days.", "timestamp": "1570299951"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114451535042&reply_comment_id=10100114579867862", "anchor": "fb-10100114451535042_10100114579867862", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I assume that the point is waiting to wake you up, rather than learning to tell time. If \"telling time\" is a hurdle, you could use an outlet timer with a lamp, assuming you're happy with a constant start time.

https://www.amazon.com/Century-Digital.../dp/B00MVF16JG/", "timestamp": "1570374909"}, {"author": "Daniel", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114451535042&reply_comment_id=10100114643440462", "anchor": "fb-10100114451535042_10100114643440462", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Andrew The point of the clock i linked is that it changes color (from yellow to green) at a set time.", "timestamp": "1570401032"}, {"author": "opted out", "source_link": "#", "anchor": "unknown", "service": "unknown", "text": "this user has requested that their comments not be shown here", "timestamp": "1570300105"}, {"author": "Lauren", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114482887212", "anchor": "fb-10100114482887212", "service": "fb", "text": "Old enough to tell time is an exciting transition!
It may be an exciting time to shift to real time for the whole house, and a \"things I pick if I'm up before X time\" board of some kind. Like a felt board / magnetic board with picture object to be chosen.
For example:
I am a child. I awake before the chosen time. I have a picture board in my room that reminds me of all the lovely things I can do before it's time to start the day with the rest of the house. So, I do those things (books, play blocks, etc). Then, when it's time to come out, I bring the picture from the flannel board with me to show my family what I've been up to so far this morning - which also provides a form of accountability.
(One of those pictures is a child sleeping, showing that I slept until the designated wake-up time.)
Maybe I don't fully understand the morning routine. But laying out the choices of things to do while unsupervised, represented in picture form, with regular additions, is just an ole' preschool teacher strategy.", "timestamp": "1570309060"}, {"author": "Holly", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114575601412", "anchor": "fb-10100114575601412", "service": "fb", "text": "Not sure what to suggest for the \"earliest time you can get up trigger\", but I do like having a \"this is the latest you can get up\" trigger. I use a sunrise alarm clock for that; I'm very light sensitive so I typically wake up a few minutes into the sunrise but certainly by full sunrise no matter how tired I am.

As an side, regarding wrong clock times: I like having the wrong clocks to remind me that I shouldn't live life by the clock. When I had my own car and was unmarried, the car clock was set randomly. The only time I really looked at the clock in the car was when i was in a hurry, so not being able to tell time in the car is a visual reminder to me to calm down when I felt like I was late. If I was late it's because I didn't leave on time; trying to make the time up while I'm in the car is dangerous. If being late makes a difference in the choices I'm making as a drive, I probably shouldn't be making that choice. When I got married, as a compromise we set the clock +/-5 minutes off the 30 minute difference between EST and EDT.

Other assorted wrong clocks in my life:
Two wrong clocks by my bed: my sunrise is set to be full sun at 5:30 AM EDT, 5:48am clock-time. My normal alarm clock is currently 22 minutes off but I don't remember which direction. I use a normal alarm clock only on days when I have to get up at some awful hour, usually because I have to get to the airport at 4am or something similar. If I need to actually know the time, I'll use my phone or smartwatch.

In my kitchen, the microwave clock is correct for my husband, the stove is set to be precisely 30 minutes off (regardless of daylight savings) as a compromise between me and my husband, and my kitchen timer battery isn't quite good enough so it's an indeterminate period off. It's accurate enough for the short durations I'm using it for a timer that I can appreciate the wandering clock time.

Two watches, no battery for five years. I like to wear the one stuck at 8:15 on my way to work, because I usually check it on my way to the train if I'm taking public transit in, and more often than not it's pretty close to accurate when I check it and it makes me smile.", "timestamp": "1570372216"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114575601412&reply_comment_id=10100114575716182", "anchor": "fb-10100114575601412_10100114575716182", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Holly this would drive me bonkers, but I'm glad it works for you!", "timestamp": "1570372330"}, {"author": "Aleksandra", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114586479612", "anchor": "fb-10100114586479612", "service": "fb", "text": "This would deeply irritate me if I were the kid, but everyone's different. There are plenty of ok to wake clocks that change color and turn green when it's time to wake up.", "timestamp": "1570377603"}, {"author": "Nathan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114760645582", "anchor": "fb-10100114760645582", "service": "fb", "text": "Perhaps the next time every clock in the house has its time changed by an hour, hers quietly changes by 12 minutes instead. I feel like explaining her special clock is not telling-time 101 course material.", "timestamp": "1570479801"}, {"author": "lydia", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114864522412", "anchor": "fb-10100114864522412", "service": "fb", "text": "i've liked having a lamp on a timed smart-outlet. allows for precise time control, and it also knows stuff like \"at sunset.\" (but not, disappointingly, stuff like \"a half hr before sunset.\")", "timestamp": "1570513535"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114894177982", "anchor": "fb-10100114894177982", "service": "fb", "text": "lydia\u2019s answer also leaves you with an object that is useful beyond the current task rather than post-phase solid waste. i have a number of these switches now and find them invaluable.", "timestamp": "1570545240"}, {"author": "Bob", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114894507322", "anchor": "fb-10100114894507322", "service": "fb", "text": "(i\u2019d be pretty sure that IFTTT can time events relative to other events, but i haven\u2019t gotten to doing that yet)", "timestamp": "1570545400"}, {"author": "Beth", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114903070162", "anchor": "fb-10100114903070162", "service": "fb", "text": "When I was little I had a clock that was a rabbit and when it was ok to get up it would 'wake up' and the rabbit ears would go up. I don't think this was an expensive thing at all", "timestamp": "1570550301"}, {"author": "Celeste", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100114434504172?comment_id=10100114926378452", "anchor": "fb-10100114926378452", "service": "fb", "text": "We use this: https://www.amazon.com/Mirari-Wake-Alarm.../dp/B00EAHSBV4/ We can change the time the clock turns green (currently 6:00 on weekdays and 7:00 on weekends). My kids can tell digital time but the light is still helpful.", "timestamp": "1570558725"}]}