{"items": [{"author": "BDan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672", "service": "fb", "text": "When I whistle quickly I make alveolar closures, not velar.", "timestamp": "1570015500"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113861033412", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113861033412", "service": "fb", "text": "→ BDan do you always close in the same place, or do you alternate?", "timestamp": "1570016294"}, {"author": "BDan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113861302872", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113861302872", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff Kaufman Always the same place for tonguing, though for longer notes I still use glottal stops.", "timestamp": "1570016486"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113863887692", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113863887692", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I can't do alveolar closures without making silly bird sounds...", "timestamp": "1570019022"}, {"author": "Nicole", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113864995472", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113864995472", "service": "fb", "text": "→ If playing for Kingfisher, bird sounds seem appropriate.", "timestamp": "1570019880"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113888712942", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113888712942", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This conversation is getting deliciously nerdy! What's an alveolar closure? When I play flute, I punctuate notes with a diaphragmatic thingy like a cough. Basically a puff of air that does not involve the tongue or back of the throat (but does feel like a closing of the passage further back and down than a \"K\" sound.", "timestamp": "1570033818"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113892220912", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113892220912", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Matthew that sounds like a glottal closure?

Aveolar is where you make \"t\"", "timestamp": "1570035146"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113894142062", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113894142062", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yeah, I've heard it described as a \"glottal stop\" by flute players. This is also what I do when I whistle.", "timestamp": "1570035927"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113896617102", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113896617102", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Matthew that's how I whistle too", "timestamp": "1570036642"}, {"author": "Melissa", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113898278772", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113898278772", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I do the diaphragmatic thing when I whistle fast, but only in a few spots. Otherwise my notes are just not very distinct. Now I am practicing using throughout the piece\u2014on Softly Good Tummas. So far it works ok, but makes it harder for me to draw a deep breath in the middles of phrases!", "timestamp": "1570037219"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113859406672&reply_comment_id=10100113901597122", "anchor": "fb-10100113859406672_10100113901597122", "service": "fb", "text": "→ My whistle tonguing is also alveolar, which is a technique I learned from years of trumpet playing. Specifically, I hold my tongue pressed against my alveolar ridge and teeth, then vent the seal with the tip of the tongue to let air through. This lets me single-tongue quite fast, but I've never managed to learn to double-tongue, probably because my tongue is in a weird place :)", "timestamp": "1570038901"}, {"author": "kithpendragon", "source_link": "https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/bE2sStELCj3Bppiwp#wmog3eAaXo95qZc5m", "anchor": "lw-wmog3eAaXo95qZc5m", "service": "lw", "text": "I can get sharp and rapid changes in my whistle by changing the way air flows across the lateral part of my tongue. In my normal whistling posture, that part of my tongue does something like what it does during a particularly hard /\u0279/ sound: it basically presses into the top molars. During fast whistling (and arpeggios), one side moves to let air pass more like what that part does during an /l/ sound. The rest of the tongue seems to move a tiny bit forward and up to accomplish this change.\nThe end result is a very fast \"flipping\" feeling between notes and a bit of adjustment needed to hit the pitch I'm going for. By going back and forth between the two tongue positions rapidly I can something like double my whistling speed compared to glottal air control, though at absolute top speed there is a reduction of pitch accuracy and I find it hard to keep a bit of an excessively airy tone out of the whistle. The point, though, is that what used to be top speed is very comfortable while \"double-tonguing\". (I don't know if there's a common term for this move. I just kind of figured it out back in high school after I heard somebody else do it and they couldn't explain it beyond \"I don't know. I just do it.\")\n

I hope this is an accurate and detailed enough description to get the idea from. I'm a bit unused to discussing tiny movements of mouth parts, I'm afraid. Best of luck learning!\n", "timestamp": 1570019323}, {"author": "Bil", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113866028402", "anchor": "fb-10100113866028402", "service": "fb", "text": "I love your problems!", "timestamp": "1570021043"}, {"author": "Melissa", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113869616212", "anchor": "fb-10100113869616212", "service": "fb", "text": "In the context of whistling, how strong are your lips?

The obvious question (which I was tempted to skip) is: are you talking about 8th notes, 16th notes, etc?", "timestamp": "1570023849"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113869616212&reply_comment_id=10100113888847672", "anchor": "fb-10100113869616212_10100113888847672", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Melissa yeah, marches and polkas, with fewer 16th notes, seem like one good solution.", "timestamp": "1570033882"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113869616212&reply_comment_id=10100113892126102", "anchor": "fb-10100113869616212_10100113892126102", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Melissa I'm talking about ~480 notes pretty minute: 4 notes per beat at 120bpm. Right now I'm at ~425.", "timestamp": "1570035087"}, {"author": "Jon", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113870808822", "anchor": "fb-10100113870808822", "service": "fb", "text": "How about triple-tonguing (\"tikita tikita tikita\")?", "timestamp": "1570024381"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113870808822&reply_comment_id=10100113875239942", "anchor": "fb-10100113870808822_10100113875239942", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jon the \"t\" messes with my ability to get a clear note, though BDan above seems to have figured it out", "timestamp": "1570026420"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092", "service": "fb", "text": "I can whistle at contra tune speed. I\u2019m not sure how I learned to do it, but probably by constantly listening to Solas and trying to whistle along. I 1. Slur the notes in runs, 2. Mostly use a stronger puff of air to articulate notes (I can see my cheeks puff out a little). Edit to add that I seem to be doing a tiny glottal stop to get each of the puffs of air.", "timestamp": "1570024620"}, {"author": "Ian", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092&reply_comment_id=10100113872849732", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092_10100113872849732", "service": "fb", "text": "→ You're also a flautist, and I can't imagine there's not some cross-pollination there.", "timestamp": "1570025292"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092&reply_comment_id=10100113875155112", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092_10100113875155112", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I can do it fast enough if I slur the runs, but on a notey reel that means near constant slurring. Which doesn't sound great, at least not when I do it.", "timestamp": "1570026367"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092&reply_comment_id=10100113875274872", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092_10100113875274872", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I seem to mostly slur the first three or so notes of the run, then articulate the rest.", "timestamp": "1570026447"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092&reply_comment_id=10100113875484452", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092_10100113875484452", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I agree that slurring all the notes of the runs doesn\u2019t sound great (when I do it either), and it\u2019s harder to keep in rhythm.", "timestamp": "1570026599"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113871672092&reply_comment_id=10100113888982402", "anchor": "fb-10100113871672092_10100113888982402", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Flute player as well. So here for this conversation!", "timestamp": "1570033965"}, {"author": "Anna", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113872106222", "anchor": "fb-10100113872106222", "service": "fb", "text": "I also seem to keep the tip of my tongue pretty much always at the alveolar ridge behind my bottom teeth, but I don\u2019t think I\u2019m using my tongue to articulate, except in trills.", "timestamp": "1570024873"}, {"author": "Leah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877415582", "anchor": "fb-10100113877415582", "service": "fb", "text": "This is super interesting \u2014 I don't make any closures between notes at all (citation: I'm a linguist and know what my glottis is up to), but I feel like I still manage to get distinct notes and not slurs. I'm not clear on how I do it; it's just the way I've always whistled. I wonder if trying to make all those quick repeated closures is actually getting in your way when you're trying to do it fast.", "timestamp": "1570027315"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877415582&reply_comment_id=10100113879042322", "anchor": "fb-10100113877415582_10100113879042322", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Leah are you using your lungs to divide the notes? It seems like it must be either that or a closure somewhere?

Want to post a recording/video?", "timestamp": "1570028394"}, {"author": "Leah", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877415582&reply_comment_id=10100113879316772", "anchor": "fb-10100113877415582_10100113879316772", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Ah, no, I see \u2014 I'm misusing the word \"slur.\" I *am* doing what a wind player would consider a slur: I'm including a bunch of notes in a single breath with no articulation between them. What I'm not doing is making an audible glissando between notes.", "timestamp": "1570028617"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877415582&reply_comment_id=10100113879431542", "anchor": "fb-10100113877415582_10100113879431542", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I think maybe my time to move between notes it too high for this to sound good? When I do it there are teensy glissandos all over the place unless I have some kind of articulation.", "timestamp": "1570028707"}, {"author": "Harris", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877789832", "anchor": "fb-10100113877789832", "service": "fb", "text": "I believe Dave can also whistle at contra tune speed", "timestamp": "1570027604"}, {"author": "Dave", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877789832&reply_comment_id=10100113897290752", "anchor": "fb-10100113877789832_10100113897290752", "service": "fb", "text": "→ After reading Jeff's post this morning I spent half my commute trying to figure out what king of stops I use to differentiate notes when whistling, since yes, I can do it a bit faster. No luck so far, though-- I definitely don't tongue anything.", "timestamp": "1570036849"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877789832&reply_comment_id=10100113897630072", "anchor": "fb-10100113877789832_10100113897630072", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Dave do you think you might be doing glottal closures?", "timestamp": "1570036928"}, {"author": "Dave", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113877789832&reply_comment_id=10100113898687952", "anchor": "fb-10100113877789832_10100113898687952", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I don't think so. At least it doesn't feel the same as when I intentionally do a glottal stop.", "timestamp": "1570037541"}, {"author": "Aryeh", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242", "service": "fb", "text": "I think you can speed up considerably by not articulating every note. In quadruplets, slurring the first pair gives more speed, the way you might integrate hammer-ons and pull-offs into quick guitar lines.", "timestamp": "1570028406"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242&reply_comment_id=10100113879486432", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242_10100113879486432", "service": "fb", "text": "→ At least when I do it this sounds bad, because there are so many slurs.", "timestamp": "1570028759"}, {"author": "Aryeh", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242&reply_comment_id=10100113910988302", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242_10100113910988302", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jeff it gets harder as the interval gets wider. Beyond a 4th or 5th, it's tough for me to avoid an audible glide. I could probably practice intervals without articulation though!", "timestamp": "1570042925"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242&reply_comment_id=10100113914621022", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242_10100113914621022", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Want to make a quick recording? I'm curious how quickly you're moving. I get a clearly audible glide with any non-articulated transition.", "timestamp": "1570044441"}, {"author": "Aryeh", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242&reply_comment_id=10100114081611372", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242_10100114081611372", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Out of practice :). Gives a sense though, especially the faster take.
https://drive.google.com/.../1AOROPzGkOFOrHBE4asu.../view...", "timestamp": "1570114831"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113879082242&reply_comment_id=10100114092444662", "anchor": "fb-10100113879082242_10100114092444662", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Thanks for the recording! It sounds to me like you're articulating almost every note glottally, which is also how it looks when I look at the sound wave.

It also looks like you're just enough faster at glottal closures that you're at 8 closures per second, which gets a reel at 120bpm.", "timestamp": "1570122106"}, {"author": "Angela", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113880713972", "anchor": "fb-10100113880713972", "service": "fb", "text": "One time I saw a champion Whistler at Davis & Elkins, in WV. I don't remember her name, but maybe Matthew or Emily Miller would.", "timestamp": "1570029440"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113880713972&reply_comment_id=10100113887939492", "anchor": "fb-10100113880713972_10100113887939492", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Angela I remember her but can't think who it was. I was blown away, pardon the pun. So amazing!", "timestamp": "1570033285"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113880713972&reply_comment_id=10100113887949472", "anchor": "fb-10100113880713972_10100113887949472", "service": "fb", "text": "→ \ud83c\udf2c\ufe0f", "timestamp": "1570033298"}, {"author": "Ala\u017ftair", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113881237922", "anchor": "fb-10100113881237922", "service": "fb", "text": "Emily Eagen", "timestamp": "1570029809"}, {"author": "Matthew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113881237922&reply_comment_id=10100113889481402", "anchor": "fb-10100113881237922_10100113889481402", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Emily Egan, was it you who ahem, blew... our minds at Augusta that time with your whistling? (Angela...)", "timestamp": "1570034096"}, {"author": "Ala\u017ftair", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113881237922&reply_comment_id=10100113890070222", "anchor": "fb-10100113881237922_10100113890070222", "service": "fb", "text": "→ That sounds like our Emily.", "timestamp": "1570034246"}, {"author": "Bill", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113900015292", "anchor": "fb-10100113900015292", "service": "fb", "text": "Here to eavesdrop shamelessly: I\u2019ve never learned to whistle on demand, although I can play a few wind instruments with a mix of articulations: others have mentioned all of the articulations I can produce that use the tongue, glottis, and diaphragm.", "timestamp": "1570038191"}, {"author": "Andrew", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113954695712", "anchor": "fb-10100113954695712", "service": "fb", "text": "For those of us who aren't up to speed on contra music, do you have any examples we can hear of the types of tunes you'd like to be able to whistle?", "timestamp": "1570059538"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113954695712&reply_comment_id=10100113967185682", "anchor": "fb-10100113954695712_10100113967185682", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Andrew here's an example video of a notey reel (Frank's Reel) that starts at an easy tempo and then gets up most of the way to dance speed before getting too fast for me to articulate clearly. You can hear my foot tapping the downbeat, starting around 63bpm and working up to 107. Dance speed would be more like 118.", "timestamp": "1570063421"}, {"author": "Yaron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113961916242", "anchor": "fb-10100113961916242", "service": "fb", "text": "As a recorder/whistle player, my initial thought was, tongue (tatata) and double-tongue (takatakata) - but when I tried it, it didn't quite work, for me anyway. I guess the mouth cavity shape and embouchure when whistling is more similar to flute than recorder/whistle (and I don't play the flute - I can barely get a sound out of it) (but I can whistle pretty decently). So then I tried glottal stops (which are a no-no v/v proper recorder technique, but used occasionally by traditional whistle players), and was able to get out a passable rendition of Reel Eugene at 110 or 112 BPM (with a bit of slurring).

I think, as with many instruments, the key to speed is, whatever technique you settle on, being able to do it with as little energy and muscle movement as possible while still effectively.

Actually, the main problem I ran into was breath. On recorder/whistle (on a typical whistle, anyway) I can get out a whole 16-count phrase on one breath, but when whistling it's harder - I guess there's a lot less backpressure.", "timestamp": "1570061757"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113961916242&reply_comment_id=10100113964007052", "anchor": "fb-10100113961916242_10100113964007052", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yaron for breath have you tried whistling on the inhale as well as the exhale?", "timestamp": "1570062551"}, {"author": "Yaron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113961916242&reply_comment_id=10100114029246312", "anchor": "fb-10100113961916242_10100114029246312", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Yes, I can do that :-) Still not as seamless, and timbre is a little different on the inhale and exhale.", "timestamp": "1570071153"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113961916242&reply_comment_id=10100114029690422", "anchor": "fb-10100113961916242_10100114029690422", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I've found the timbre has gotten more even as I have done this more.

(And since if I do much with whistling it will probably be via using it to control a synth timbre doesn't actually matter!)", "timestamp": "1570071424"}, {"author": "Yaron", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100113961916242&reply_comment_id=10100114029924952", "anchor": "fb-10100113961916242_10100114029924952", "service": "fb", "text": "→ And hey, maybe you can use the non-seamlessness to articulate phrases", "timestamp": "1570071559"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114028452902", "anchor": "fb-10100114028452902", "service": "fb", "text": "Chris Ullman appears to mainly whistle at an easy tempo, but with lots of high speed ornamentation. He has a number of different tricks.

https://youtu.be/cVp7zjWL57U", "timestamp": "1570070916"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114028452902&reply_comment_id=10100114029321162", "anchor": "fb-10100114028452902_10100114029321162", "service": "fb", "text": "→ This guy, Geert Chatrou, appears to use techniques more directly applicable to what you want to do.

https://youtu.be/zO-aCQ6xH-8", "timestamp": "1570071216"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114028452902&reply_comment_id=10100114029580642", "anchor": "fb-10100114028452902_10100114029580642", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Here he is whistling some classical music, with passages that are definitely fast enough:

https://youtu.be/dVQq8U9HdMI", "timestamp": "1570071377"}, {"author": "Michael", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114033103582", "anchor": "fb-10100114033103582", "service": "fb", "text": "Now I've discovered Whistling Sam, aka Brother Bones...

http://www.whistlingrecords.net/.../Bones_Tempo_TR694.m3u", "timestamp": "1570072701"}, {"author": "Kiran", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114042649452", "anchor": "fb-10100114042649452", "service": "fb", "text": "How fast does Professor Longhair whistle?", "timestamp": "1570080921"}, {"author": "Jonathan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114115942572", "anchor": "fb-10100114115942572", "service": "fb", "text": "fwiw I just applied to do a whistling workshop at NEFFA next spring, and most of the material I have so far has to with breathing and articulation, which is essentially the matter at hand for you, I think.", "timestamp": "1570133220"}, {"author": "Jonathan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114116541372", "anchor": "fb-10100114116541372", "service": "fb", "text": "tl;dr, the enemy for me in whistling things at contra speeds is muscle fatigue. The main way I combat that is to mix-and-match between several methods of articulation that use very different muscle sets.
1. inhale vs exhale
2. tongue articulation. Most whistlers I've heard use an \"oodle-oodle\" method -- takataka doesn't work well with the tongue positions that most lip-whistlers use (teeth-whistlers may say different though)
3. voice breaking (like yodeling and overblowing). This is the hardest to describe, although wind players understand the \"break\" between one register of the instrument and another. A lot of whistlers call this a \"warble\"", "timestamp": "1570133424"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114116541372&reply_comment_id=10100114125513392", "anchor": "fb-10100114116541372_10100114125513392", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jonathan neat! For me the issue is definitely not fatigue: I can't whistle two notes more than 135ms apart even even I'm fully fresh", "timestamp": "1570136401"}, {"author": "Jonathan", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114116541372&reply_comment_id=10100114126037342", "anchor": "fb-10100114116541372_10100114126037342", "service": "fb", "text": "→ I've never done any timing analysis on myself (yet); will try soon. I forgot to include glottal articulation in the list above, that's important too.", "timestamp": "1570136611"}, {"author": "Jeff Kaufman", "source_link": "https://www.facebook.com/jefftk/posts/10100113858408672?comment_id=10100114116541372&reply_comment_id=10100114127394622", "anchor": "fb-10100114116541372_10100114127394622", "service": "fb", "text": "→ Jonathan if you post a recording I can tell you your timing ;)", "timestamp": "1570137089"}]}